It was really close...

Andrew,
You raise a very interesting question, and it has a very simple answer. No
matter what law was passed etc., there would never be "perfect" internal
security. But we would have alot less problems if our federal Gov. would
enforce immigration laws and protect our borders. Don't stop immigration
mind you but enforce rules already in place. How many of the 911 highjackers
would not have even been in this country if the Feds actually went and got
them and sent them back to from where they came?
So instead of enforcing laws that would have already been protecting us
just as much as anything else they can come up with, we get the Patriot Act
that gives the gov. way to much power. And we know they say "we are not
using this against Americans". Do you believe that? And if it's true, how
long will it be before some corrupt type does use it against Americans? Now
if the Patriot Act was written and it had "This law does not pertain to US
citizens". Then I could back it...maybe.
But our main concern should be , close the border to illegals, send home
everyone we catch. If we had done that before we would surely be alot better
off today. If Yabba Dabba Do can not get into this country, he can not blow
anything up in it. And yes, then we would have to deal with those who live
here legally and would do us harm. But that would be alot easier without
them having the ability to send recruits from abroad for reinforcements.
Oh and my home security is a loaded 9mm and various others! No alarms
needed here

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech


"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
Similarly, we could easily achieve perfect internal security in this
country. At what price, however?

- Andrew

W P Dixon wrote:

So instead of enforcing laws that would have already been protecting
us
just as much as anything else they can come up with, we get the Patriot
Act that gives the gov. way to much power.

I do agree with both sides of this assertion: enforcement is too lax, and
the response has been an overreaction in the creation of new law. In a
way, that's natural. If one ignores the poor enforcement but observes just
the effect of the current laws, I can see how one would deduce the need for
more strict laws.

And since the parties doing the above reasoning are responsible for the
enforcement, I'm sure they presume perfect enforcement.

And we know they say "we are
not using this against Americans". Do you believe that?

Since anyone can be labeled and "illegal combatent", obviously not.

And if it's true,
how long will it be before some corrupt type does use it against
Americans?

What's so amazing is how the current administration and senate (and probably
the house too, but I haven't an example of this) presume that they'll be in
charge forever. If I knew that it could be used against me after some
future election, I'd never trash filibustering. But current officials
either believe they'll be in charge forever or don't care what happens
after they leave.

Oh and my home security is a loaded 9mm and various others! No
alarms
needed here

Tsk. That's actor; not sensor.

- Andrew

W P Dixon wrote:
Andrew,
You raise a very interesting question, and it has a very simple
answer. No
matter what law was passed etc., there would never be "perfect"
internal
security. But we would have alot less problems if our federal Gov.
would
enforce immigration laws and protect our borders. Don't stop
immigration
mind you but enforce rules already in place. How many of the 911
highjackers
would not have even been in this country if the Feds actually went
and got
them and sent them back to from where they came?

I don't recall the precise numbers but I think about half of them were
here legally, mainly via student visa. So better border control would
have saved Trade 1 but not stopped it utterly. Still it's a good idea.
Mind you, if welfare was the great pivot issue Bill Clinton used to
triangulate the GOP in 1996, immigration is the one his wife is getting
ready to deploy. The GOP has moved far to the left of its base on this
issue and is creating a real opportunity for the Dems here. Watch and
learn.

-cwk.