Would a NASA form help?

Jesse Wright wrote:
"...Is there a distinction between getting a little too close to the
Class Bravo, and blasting right through the center of it without
talking to anyone.."

Sure there is a distinction. The two scenarios have two very different
consequences. If you graze the edge of Class B, you may not cause any
disturbance. If you fly directly over the departure end of the
runways, then you would probably close the airport down. But, if you
are truly lost and bust the airspace unintentionally, ASRS doesn't
define a threshold of error within its rules.

Well, I realize there is a distinction safety-wise. But ASRS does
define a threshold of error, doesn't it? The "lack of qualifications or
incompetance" test. It seems you'd be a lot more likely to meet that
test if you cross right over the departure end of the runways without a
clue than if you accidentally bust the edge of the Class Bravo.

Charles.
-N8385U

Charles O'Rourke wrote:
Well, I realize there is a distinction safety-wise. But ASRS does
define a threshold of error, doesn't it? The "lack of qualifications
or
incompetance" test. It seems you'd be a lot more likely to meet that

test if you cross right over the departure end of the runways without
a
clue than if you accidentally bust the edge of the Class Bravo.

Charles.
-N8385U


I may be wrong, but I think that the wording regarding lack of
qualifications or incompetence comes from 49 CFR 44709. After reading,
my interperetation is that you must be found to be deficient via an
inspection. I'm thinking a ramp check instance. The other
qualifications for action under 44709 are a sonic boom violation (not
in a 150...) or violating the fish & wildlife act of '56.

I'd be curious to know if this interperetation is correct.

JW