It was really close...

"gatt" wrote in message
...
People can play logical soccer with the issue all they want, but the
airspace is closed, any legitimate pilot in America knows the airspace is
closed, it's damned difficult to get lost in the DC area and fighters were
scrambled to either deter or destroy the aircraft.

So far, so good.

As it should be. There's no particular reason at this point to let
pilots
run amok over Washington DC.

Sorry, you lose there. Your claim is far from a foregone conclusion.

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message

As it should be. There's no particular reason at this point to let
pilots run amok over Washington DC.

Sorry, you lose there. Your claim is far from a foregone conclusion.

Peter, there's a war going on.

Despite the 2nd Amendment, we don't let people carry guns and grenades on
airplanes either.

-c

"gatt" wrote in message ...

Peter, there's a war going on.

Despite the 2nd Amendment, we don't let people carry guns and grenades on
airplanes either.

-c



No grenades (I think) but guns are OK....

As for the 'war' going on, 'fraid not....

"gatt" wrote in message
...
Peter, there's a war going on.

Sort of.

Despite the 2nd Amendment, we don't let people carry guns and grenades on
airplanes either.

What's that got to do with Americans' right to freely move about the
country?

While it is common for security measures to be implemented without regard to
whether they will actually accomplish anything, that doesn't make it right.

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
...
Despite the 2nd Amendment, we don't let people carry guns and grenades
on
airplanes either.

What's that got to do with Americans' right to freely move about the
country?

Are you kidding me? What they can't effectively control, they just pass
legislation against. So everybody pays a penalty by having their individual
freedoms taken away. Except, of course, those who don't care to play by the
rules.

--
Hello, my name is Mike, and I am an airplane addict....

"Mike W." wrote in message
...
Are you kidding me? What they can't effectively control, they just pass
legislation against. So everybody pays a penalty by having their
individual
freedoms taken away. Except, of course, those who don't care to play by
the
rules.

You haven't explained how the 2nd Amendment along with the exception
disallowing guns and grenades on airplanes (and technically, those are only
disallowed on commercial flights) has anything to do with Americans' rights
to freely move about the country (and in particular, justifying restricting
that right).

Why would I be kidding you?

Pete

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
...
You haven't explained how the 2nd Amendment along with the exception
disallowing guns and grenades on airplanes (and technically, those are
only
disallowed on commercial flights) has anything to do with Americans'
rights
to freely move about the country (and in particular, justifying
restricting
that right).
Pete

I guess I misread the direction of your post.

All amendments have exceptions to them, not just the second. In your
example, it is probably for the best.

I think the thing that bothers me the most about all of this TSA 'national
security' crap, it is not protecting the nation at all, just the idiots that
are running it.

"Mike W." wrote in message
...
I guess I misread the direction of your post.

I think so.

[...]
I think the thing that bothers me the most about all of this TSA 'national
security' crap, it is not protecting the nation at all, just the idiots
that
are running it.

I certainly agree, if by "protect" you mean "ensure continuous employment".

Pete

On Fri, 13 May 2005 16:32:45 -0700, gatt wrote:

Peter, there's a war going on.


yeah, and you haven't started it, you are only defending yourselves, etc.
etc. yaddayadda.

Despite the 2nd Amendment, we don't let people carry guns and grenades on
airplanes either.

but it would help the government to have a better control if there would be
a gun regulation. you don't have something to hide, have you? no? so you
can register your guns with your government .. help your government fight
terrorism. you want to help your government fighting terrorism, won't you?

-c

#m, opening Pandoras box. :-)

--
http://www.hotze.priv.at/album/aviation/caution.jpg

Martin Hotze wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2005 16:32:45 -0700, gatt wrote:


Peter, there's a war going on.



yeah, and you haven't started it, you are only defending yourselves, etc.
etc. yaddayadda.


Despite the 2nd Amendment, we don't let people carry guns and grenades on
airplanes either.


but it would help the government to have a better control if there would be
a gun regulation. you don't have something to hide, have you? no? so you
can register your guns with your government .. help your government fight
terrorism. you want to help your government fighting terrorism, won't you?

Sure, but someday you may have to defend yourself against your
government and hence the second amendment. The writers of the
constitution were well aware of this potential and thus they planned for it.


Matt