ADIZ pilot's ticket revoked

On Mon, 23 May 2005 14:54:34 -0700, "gatt"
wrote:


so what do you guys think of it?

Sounds like, all the hysteria and other issues aside, the pilot really
screwed the pooch on many basic levels.

Their side of the story is at
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050520/205544.html?.v=1

The FAA says "Sheaffer didn't take the most basic steps required of
pilots before operating an aircraft, the FAA said.

He failed to check the weather report before leaving Smoketown,
Pennsylvania, and he didn't check the FAA's "Notices to Airmen," which
informs pilots of airspace restrictions."

They say they "checked various weather websites on his home computer
for the flight area and consulted the Aircraft Owners and Pilots
Association (AOPA) website, looking for Temporary Flight Restrictions
(TFR). "

Course, none of it's recorded since they didn't use DUAT(S) so...

In article ,
Just go look it up! wrote:


Their side of the story is at
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050520/205544.html?.v=1


As I read through the above I kept thinking more and mo despite the
first person wording, this just doesn't sound like something two
ordinary people would have written -- it sounds more and more like words
_very_ carefully crafted by an attorney. And sure enough, at the bottom:

"A principal in the Washington, D.C. law firm of Joseph, McDermott &
Reiner, P.C., Mark T. McDermott is engaged in general practice with
an emphasis on litigation, aviation law, and pilot medical
certification. . . . McDermott has been retained by Jim Sheaffer
to represent him in the FAA's investigation of this matter."

AES wrote:

As I read through the above I kept thinking more and mo despite the
first person wording, this just doesn't sound like something two
ordinary people would have written -- it sounds more and more like words
_very_ carefully crafted by an attorney.

Actually, it sounds like absolute and total bull**** to me.

George Patterson
"Naked" means you ain't got no clothes on; "nekkid" means you ain't got
no clothes on - and are up to somethin'.

Recently, George Patterson posted:

AES wrote:

As I read through the above I kept thinking more and mo despite
the first person wording, this just doesn't sound like something two
ordinary people would have written -- it sounds more and more like
words _very_ carefully crafted by an attorney.

Actually, it sounds like absolute and total bull**** to me.

Especially the part about being "...treated well and proper..." by the
authorities. If I found myself spread-eagled on the ground at gunpoint,
this would not be my assessment of how I was treated.

Neil

"Neil Gould" wrote in message
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Recently, George Patterson posted:

AES wrote:

As I read through the above I kept thinking more and mo despite
the first person wording, this just doesn't sound like something two
ordinary people would have written -- it sounds more and more like
words _very_ carefully crafted by an attorney.

Actually, it sounds like absolute and total bull**** to me.

Especially the part about being "...treated well and proper..." by the
authorities. If I found myself spread-eagled on the ground at gunpoint,
this would not be my assessment of how I was treated.

Well, it sounds much nicer than would remarks about ****ting your pants.

Neil Gould wrote:
Especially the part about being "...treated well and proper..." by
the
authorities. If I found myself spread-eagled on the ground at
gunpoint,
this would not be my assessment of how I was treated.

That's the way any police officer would treat a suspect. You have to
determine that they are not armed first. If you were on the verge of
being shot down by F-16s, you would be pretty happy about only being
spread-eagled at gunpoint.

Recently, Bucky posted:

Neil Gould wrote:
Especially the part about being "...treated well and proper..." by
the authorities. If I found myself spread-eagled on the ground at
gunpoint, this would not be my assessment of how I was treated.

That's the way any police officer would treat a suspect. You have to
determine that they are not armed first. If you were on the verge of
being shot down by F-16s, you would be pretty happy about only being
spread-eagled at gunpoint.

Sorry, but not much would make me happy about "only being spread-eagled at
gunpoint". There are other ways to determine that someone is unarmed, not
the least of which is that they didn't exit their Vehicle of Terror with
guns blazing.

Neil

"Neil Gould" wrote in message
. ..
Recently, Bucky posted:

Sorry, but not much would make me happy about "only being spread-eagled at
gunpoint". There are other ways to determine that someone is unarmed, not
the least of which is that they didn't exit their Vehicle of Terror with
guns blazing.

Call your local police department and ask them if they know a better way.

When they get done laughing, let us know what they said.

Neil Gould wrote:
Sorry, but not much would make me happy about "only being spread-eagled at
gunpoint".

I can't come up with any counter-arguments because apparently you think
being spread-eagled at gunpoint is the worst thing that can happen to a
person.

There are other ways to determine that someone is unarmed

Like what? Asking them if they were armed? Having them walk through a
metal detector?

Let's say you were a cop who just caught a suspected drug dealer
driving a stolen car. How would you approach him? You'd point your gun
at him and tell him to get down on the ground with his hands behind his
head. Otherwise, he might just reach for a weapon. Well, at that point
in time, they didn't know who these two guys were, they could have been
drug dealers, terrorists, mental patients, or just two clueless pilots.

Neil Gould wrote:

Sorry, but not much would make me happy about "only being spread-eagled at
gunpoint". There are other ways to determine that someone is unarmed, not
the least of which is that they didn't exit their Vehicle of Terror with
guns blazing.

Neil


Surely that is not the first time you've seen a "felony traffic stop" on
TV.. even if it WAS the first time you may have seen it applied to a
pilot in a plane.

The ground guys did their job, just like they were trained to. Everyone
got to go home alive that night.

Dave