"normal" procedure for pop-up filing

"Roy Smith" wrote in message
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S Herman wrote:
So a non-IR pilot can file IFR, but cannot then execute that flight
plan, even if VFR conditions exist at all points of the flight?

That's correct. You have to be IFR rated to accept an IFR clearance
(i.e. to act as PIC under IFR). On the other hand, anybody can file
an IFR flight plan. You don't need to be PIC to be a data-entry
clerk.

How do IR students practice approaches, etc. when they don't have the
CFII aboard? With a safety pilot?

If the safety pilot is capable and willing to be be PIC under IFR,
they could do that. But, the answer you were probably looking for is
that you can just ask for a "practice" approach:

The safety pilot would have to be IFR rated.

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"Guillermo" wrote:

"Roy Smith" wrote in message
...
S Herman wrote:
So a non-IR pilot can file IFR, but cannot then execute that flight
plan, even if VFR conditions exist at all points of the flight?

That's correct. You have to be IFR rated to accept an IFR clearance
(i.e. to act as PIC under IFR). On the other hand, anybody can file
an IFR flight plan. You don't need to be PIC to be a data-entry
clerk.

How do IR students practice approaches, etc. when they don't have the
CFII aboard? With a safety pilot?

If the safety pilot is capable and willing to be be PIC under IFR,
they could do that. But, the answer you were probably looking for is
that you can just ask for a "practice" approach:

The safety pilot would have to be IFR rated.

Nope, just has to be rated for the type aircraft being operated and have
a current medical. Doesn't have to be IFR rated or current.

rg

Ron Garret wrote:


If the safety pilot is capable and willing to be be PIC under IFR,
they could do that. But, the answer you were probably looking for is
that you can just ask for a "practice" approach:

The safety pilot would have to be IFR rated.


Nope, just has to be rated for the type aircraft being operated and have
a current medical. Doesn't have to be IFR rated or current.

He does if he's ALSO going to PIC under IFR as the previous post says.
He needs to meet BOTH the requirements of Safety Pilot (category and
class ratings) and those of an IFR PIC.

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Ron Natalie wrote:

Ron Garret wrote:


If the safety pilot is capable and willing to be be PIC under IFR,
they could do that. But, the answer you were probably looking for is
that you can just ask for a "practice" approach:

The safety pilot would have to be IFR rated.


Nope, just has to be rated for the type aircraft being operated and have
a current medical. Doesn't have to be IFR rated or current.

He does if he's ALSO going to PIC under IFR as the previous post says.
He needs to meet BOTH the requirements of Safety Pilot (category and
class ratings) and those of an IFR PIC.

Oops, that's right. I didn't pay attention to the context of the
comment. My bad.

rg

"Ron Garret" wrote in message
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"Guillermo" wrote:

"Roy Smith" wrote in message
...
S Herman wrote:
So a non-IR pilot can file IFR, but cannot then execute that flight
plan, even if VFR conditions exist at all points of the flight?

That's correct. You have to be IFR rated to accept an IFR clearance
(i.e. to act as PIC under IFR). On the other hand, anybody can file
an IFR flight plan. You don't need to be PIC to be a data-entry
clerk.

How do IR students practice approaches, etc. when they don't have
the
CFII aboard? With a safety pilot?

If the safety pilot is capable and willing to be be PIC under IFR,
they could do that. But, the answer you were probably looking for is
that you can just ask for a "practice" approach:

The safety pilot would have to be IFR rated.

Nope, just has to be rated for the type aircraft being operated and have
a current medical. Doesn't have to be IFR rated or current.

To fly under Instrument Flight Rules you have to have an IFR rated pilot on
board, even if you ever enter IMC. I guess either the SP or the control
manipulator have to be IR? That person would be the PIC if flying under IFR.

"Ron Garret" wrote in message
...

If the safety pilot is capable and willing to be be PIC under IFR,
they could do that. But, the answer you were probably looking for is
that you can just ask for a "practice" approach:


The safety pilot would have to be IFR rated.


Nope, just has to be rated for the type aircraft being operated and have
a current medical. Doesn't have to be IFR rated or current.


To operate under the conditions stated, with an IFR student on an IFR flight
plan, the safety pilot would have to be IFR rated.