Another Intercept, but this time it's different

I thought he went above 18000 feet and not talking to approach.and that was
why they detained him. I hope they at least paid for his fuel.
"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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Is this intercept of an aircraft that hadn't breached restricted
airspace a reaction to the rather late intercept of the Cessna 150 in
DC?

On 27 May 2005 15:04:06 GMT, wrote in
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The pilot and passenger were being interviewed at an FBI satellite office
in Lancaster, Eimiller said.

There doesn't seem to have been probable cause to divert this flight
nor detain the pilot and his passengers. Also, why would the pilot
submit to interrogation in this instance if he knew he hadn't entered
Restricted airspace? I suppose that if he didn't, our government
would have labeled him an Enemy Combatant, and taken him Syria for
further interrogation. :-(

This government 'security' activity just keeps getting curiouser and
curiouser. Bureaucratic fear and overreaction are leading to
citizens' complete loss of civil rights. Appalling.

According to the story, which we all know how accurate those can be, he was
"NEAR" 18000, I read that as 17,999 and not 18,001. Benefit of the doubt
to him, especially given the accuracy of the equipment.

"aluckyguess" wrote:
I thought he went above 18000 feet and not talking to approach.and that
was why they detained him. I hope they at least paid for his fuel.

--
Mike Flyin'8
PP-ASEL
Temecula, CA
http://flying.4alexanders.com

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According to the story, which we all know how accurate those can be, he
was
"NEAR" 18000, I read that as 17,999 and not 18,001.

Class A starts at 18000, but the buffer is 500 feet.

Benefit of the doubt
to him, especially given the accuracy of the equipment.

Bust an altitude by 500 feet and see how much benefit of the doubt they give
you.

"Matt Barrow" wrote:
wrote in message
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According to the story, which we all know how accurate those can be, he
was
"NEAR" 18000, I read that as 17,999 and not 18,001.

Class A starts at 18000, but the buffer is 500 feet.

Benefit of the doubt
to him, especially given the accuracy of the equipment.

Bust an altitude by 500 feet and see how much benefit of the doubt they
give you.

Was not aware there was any buffer, but not surprised I guess. My point
being that noone "in the know" has said he busted the 18K mark nor did not
stray into the restricted airspace. So... why scramble F15's to intercept?
Sounds like someone is loosing it. I fly near restricted airspace all the
time, granted I don't loiter, but noone says I can't loiter outside
restricted airspace. Guess I need to revisit where I fly less I be shot
down.

--
Mike Flyin'8
PP-ASEL
Temecula, CA
http://flying.4alexanders.com

wrote in message news:20050527142925.731

So... why scramble F15's to intercept?
Sounds like someone is loosing it. I fly near restricted airspace all the
time, granted I don't loiter, but noone says I can't loiter outside
restricted airspace. Guess I need to revisit where I fly less I be shot
down.

They didn't shoot him down.

Last time I was between Edwards and Palmdale (pre-9/11) they had strange
security going on.
First clue were the submachine guns at the Palmdale gate.
Second clue was the AC-130 gunship orbitting Edwards.
Third clue was the strange bare-aluminum aircraft with fighter escort moving
from Palmdale to Edwards...
Fourth clue was the X-32 sitting on the flightline when we got there, and
the NASA/Dryden people warning us not to look too much "that direction."

Makes me wonder if there might have been a test underway at Edwards or
something.

-c

On Fri, 27 May 2005 15:44:20 -0700, "gatt"
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Makes me wonder if there might have been a test underway at Edwards or
something.

That's what I was thinking too.

In article ,
"gatt" wrote:

wrote in message news:20050527142925.731

So... why scramble F15's to intercept?
Sounds like someone is loosing it. I fly near restricted airspace all the
time, granted I don't loiter, but noone says I can't loiter outside
restricted airspace. Guess I need to revisit where I fly less I be shot
down.

They didn't shoot him down.

Last time I was between Edwards and Palmdale (pre-9/11) they had strange
security going on.
First clue were the submachine guns at the Palmdale gate.
Second clue was the AC-130 gunship orbitting Edwards.
Third clue was the strange bare-aluminum aircraft with fighter escort moving
from Palmdale to Edwards...
Fourth clue was the X-32 sitting on the flightline when we got there, and
the NASA/Dryden people warning us not to look too much "that direction."

Makes me wonder if there might have been a test underway at Edwards or
something.

-c


What's the big deal about the X-32? It is just a JSF (Joint Strike
Fighter)...

They ain't all that secret anymore!

--
Chris Schmelzer, MD
Capt, 110th Fighter Michigan ANG
University of Michigan Hospitals
Ann Arbor, MI

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"Matt Barrow" wrote:
wrote in message
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According to the story, which we all know how accurate those can be,
he
was
"NEAR" 18000, I read that as 17,999 and not 18,001.

Class A starts at 18000, but the buffer is 500 feet.

Benefit of the doubt
to him, especially given the accuracy of the equipment.

Bust an altitude by 500 feet and see how much benefit of the doubt they
give you.

Was not aware there was any buffer, but not surprised I guess. My point
being that noone "in the know" has said he busted the 18K mark nor did not
stray into the restricted airspace. So... why scramble F15's to
intercept?

If someone keeps coming to my front door and acting suspicious, I'd call the
cops and not waiting until...


Sounds like someone is loosing it. I fly near restricted airspace all the
time, granted I don't loiter,

BINGO!

but noone says I can't loiter outside
restricted airspace. Guess I need to revisit where I fly less I be shot
down.

Not only WHERE but how high...

wrote:
According to the story, which we all know how accurate those can be, he was
"NEAR" 18000, I read that as 17,999 and not 18,001. Benefit of the doubt
to him, especially given the accuracy of the equipment.

This is Edwards AFB. The accuracy of military radar is along the lines of "He's
at 18,027' 1", Captain."

George Patterson
Why do men's hearts beat faster, knees get weak, throats become dry,
and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing?
Because she smells like a new truck.

Yeah... Did not think about that fact...


On Sat, 28 May 2005 01:59:38 GMT, George Patterson
wrote:

wrote:
According to the story, which we all know how accurate those can be, he was
"NEAR" 18000, I read that as 17,999 and not 18,001. Benefit of the doubt
to him, especially given the accuracy of the equipment.

This is Edwards AFB. The accuracy of military radar is along the lines of "He's
at 18,027' 1", Captain."

George Patterson
Why do men's hearts beat faster, knees get weak, throats become dry,
and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing?
Because she smells like a new truck.


Mike Alexander
PP-ASEL
Temecula, CA
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http://flying.4alexanders.com