Class B busted...My problem or the controller's ?

A Lieberman wrote:



FOR ME, by the time I am abeam the numbers, unless I am asked to keep my
speed up, I am at my final approach speed of 70 knots in my Sundowner.


And everybody behind has to slow down too or extend downwind if flying a
faster aircraft.

On Sun, 29 May 2005 14:24:20 +0000, Arketip wrote:

And everybody behind has to slow down too or extend downwind if flying a
faster aircraft.

True, but by the time I turn base to final, I am only a 1/4 mile from the
end of the runway using the slower speed. If I go faster, my plane doesn't
like to slow down, and I end up remaining in the pattern a longer period of
time needing additional real estate to slow down.

A faster plane most likely would have to work a wider and longer pattern
then me anyway.

If that faster plane behind me keeps appropriate spacing behind me, since I
am using much less real estate in the pattern with my slower speed, by the
time I have landed, and cleared the active, he should be on final.

And most importantly, I am not going to compromise my safety to clear the
pattern sooner.

Again, if I was on an ILS, and asked to keep my speed up, no problem since
it's a straight in approach and I do want to be courteous within my safety
limits. I have done ILS approaches at 110 knots which is only 10 knots
below my cruise speed, but I do also have a very long runway to bleed off
that speed. If I felt unsafe, then I would say to the controller unable
even if it meant I had to break off the approach per controller
instructions.

For standard pattern work at an uncontrolled airport, I will not go faster
then 70 knots abeam the numbers. I work hard to get the plane hands off
stabilized before turning base and I am not going to change my
configuration to accommodate a faster plane behind me.

Allen

A Lieberman wrote:

On Sun, 29 May 2005 14:24:20 +0000, Arketip wrote:


And everybody behind has to slow down too or extend downwind if flying a
faster aircraft.


True, but by the time I turn base to final, I am only a 1/4 mile from the
end of the runway using the slower speed. If I go faster, my plane doesn't
like to slow down, and I end up remaining in the pattern a longer period of
time needing additional real estate to slow down.

A faster plane most likely would have to work a wider and longer pattern
then me anyway.

If that faster plane behind me keeps appropriate spacing behind me, since I
am using much less real estate in the pattern with my slower speed, by the
time I have landed, and cleared the active, he should be on final.

And most importantly, I am not going to compromise my safety to clear the
pattern sooner.

Again, if I was on an ILS, and asked to keep my speed up, no problem since
it's a straight in approach and I do want to be courteous within my safety
limits. I have done ILS approaches at 110 knots which is only 10 knots
below my cruise speed, but I do also have a very long runway to bleed off
that speed. If I felt unsafe, then I would say to the controller unable
even if it meant I had to break off the approach per controller
instructions.

For standard pattern work at an uncontrolled airport, I will not go faster
then 70 knots abeam the numbers. I work hard to get the plane hands off
stabilized before turning base and I am not going to change my
configuration to accommodate a faster plane behind me.

Allen

Good enough for me!

"Arketip" wrote in message
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A Lieberman wrote:
FOR ME, by the time I am abeam the numbers, unless I am asked to keep my
speed up, I am at my final approach speed of 70 knots in my Sundowner.

And everybody behind has to slow down too or extend downwind if flying a
faster aircraft.

Tough for them. It's not a race.

"Mike W." wrote in message
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Tough for them. It's not a race.


Right. You fly your pattern any way you want and to hell with everyone
else.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Mike W." wrote in message
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Tough for them. It's not a race.

Right. You fly your pattern any way you want and to hell with everyone
else.
The intent is not to waste others' time or **** them off, but I'm not going
to endanger my safety for any reason. Different planes fly and land at
different speeds. Unless everyone doing touch-and-gos is flying the same
plane, with the same landing configuration, etc., somebody will eventually
have to 360 or widen the pattern or something to adjust.

Arketip,

Interesting pseudonym ! Are you a fan of Jung?

Antonio

In article , Arketip wrote:

FOR ME, by the time I am abeam the numbers, unless I am asked to keep my
speed up, I am at my final approach speed of 70 knots in my Sundowner.

And everybody behind has to slow down too or extend downwind if flying a
faster aircraft.

Flying the circuit (pattern) is not an exercise in doing it in a rigidly
set way every time. You have to have situational awareness and choose
the appropriate action.

Having been in a Bonanza following a Cub, and been in a Cessna 140 being
followed by a Bonanza in the past, so long as everyone is looking and
listening it's not rocket science. If I'm being followed by faster
traffic, and I'm in a slow plane, I will make a very tight pattern so
that the following faster traffic doesn't get cramped behind me. If I'm
in a fast plane following a slow one, I'll put some flaps out and slow
down. If someone's flying a wide pattern and I'm behind, I'll slow down
so I don't have to also fly a massive pattern, however, if there's a
LearJet right behind me, I may exit the pattern to allow the jet to go
ahead and rejoin behind it.

It's always a matter of judgement what the best course of action is - no
one action is necessarily always correct.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
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"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"