Airline Pilot for a day?

"Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote in message
hlink.net...
I'm afraid those days might have gone down with the new homeland security
issues.
Brings back memories though :-) I had a friend who was chief pilot for a
fairly large charter outfit flying stretch DC8's. I was given the rare
opportunity to actually fly one of their birds up to Fairbanks Alaska once
as a "guest" pilot.
It was a great experience and one I'll never forget. I actually got the
damn
thing on the ground in one piece too :-)
Sorry if you don't get the chance to do this. It's the times I guess.
Dudley Henriques

So how does (did) that work? I would assume there had to be two pilots
qualified in type, and you were an "add on."
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
...

"Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote in message
hlink.net...
I'm afraid those days might have gone down with the new homeland security
issues.
Brings back memories though :-) I had a friend who was chief pilot for a
fairly large charter outfit flying stretch DC8's. I was given the rare
opportunity to actually fly one of their birds up to Fairbanks Alaska
once
as a "guest" pilot.
It was a great experience and one I'll never forget. I actually got the
damn
thing on the ground in one piece too :-)
Sorry if you don't get the chance to do this. It's the times I guess.
Dudley Henriques

So how does (did) that work? I would assume there had to be two pilots
qualified in type, and you were an "add on."
--
Jim in NC

Based on the always present and usual situation whenever and every time you
post to me, I'll just assume you would like nothing better than to "catch"
me on something untrue so rather than "explain" the circumstances of the
flight to you, I'll simply suggest that you check the crew requirements for
a ferry flight and hope that will be the end of it.
Thank you
Dudley Henriques

"Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote in message
I'll just assume you would like nothing better than to "catch"
me on something untrue so rather than "explain" the circumstances of the
flight to you,

I imagine he's just curious, is all. We know better than to ask you to back
anything up. ;')

"Jim Fisher" wrote in message
. ..
"Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote in message
I'll just assume you would like nothing better than to "catch"
me on something untrue so rather than "explain" the circumstances of the
flight to you,

I imagine he's just curious, is all. We know better than to ask you to
back anything up. ;')

God...doesn't the menu for you people ever change around here?
And just what is it about me you think needs backing up Fisher?
Dudley Henriques

"Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote

Based on the always present and usual situation whenever and every time
you
post to me, I'll just assume you would like nothing better than to "catch"
me on something untrue so rather than "explain" the circumstances of the
flight to you, I'll simply suggest that you check the crew requirements
for
a ferry flight and hope that will be the end of it.

Listen Dudley, I posted, I thought, a very civil question. I think it would
be way cool to get to fly the heavy stuff, even for a person such as
yourself, with lots of experience in other types. I would also think that
you would *not* have posted an experience in a public forum, where there
was something for you to have to hide, or anyone to able catch you in
anything. That was not my purpose, or goal, in any way.

I think that if you met me, with an open mind, you would like me as a
person. Most people do. I hold no ill will, after a period of time, and
would like to forget any unpleasantries we had in the past.

As far as where to find the crew requirements for a ferry flight, I would
have no idea where to even start looking.

Here is where I was coming from. It was my understanding, that you had to
have two pilots rated in type to fly the big stuff (or even some of the biz
jets) on any type of flight. Is that not true? I don't know. That is why
I asked. If it were true, all you had to say in a response (true or not)
that yes, there were two type rated pilots in the cockpit, and one was kind
enough to let you have his seat for the flight. I know of no restrictions
that say both rated in type have to be at the controls, all of the time, so
if that was the case, there is nothing to catch you in. (not that I want to)
I am not evil.

Again, all I was doing was attempting to open a civil conversation, and hear
more of your experience in this flight. You have done more than I will ever
get the chance to do, so all I can do is live vicariously.

Can you put the past in the past? I can, and have.
--
Thanks
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
...

"Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote

Based on the always present and usual situation whenever and every time
you
post to me, I'll just assume you would like nothing better than to
"catch"
me on something untrue so rather than "explain" the circumstances of the
flight to you, I'll simply suggest that you check the crew requirements
for
a ferry flight and hope that will be the end of it.

Listen Dudley, I posted, I thought, a very civil question. I think it
would
be way cool to get to fly the heavy stuff, even for a person such as
yourself, with lots of experience in other types. I would also think that
you would *not* have posted an experience in a public forum, where there
was something for you to have to hide, or anyone to able catch you in
anything. That was not my purpose, or goal, in any way.

I think that if you met me, with an open mind, you would like me as a
person. Most people do. I hold no ill will, after a period of time, and
would like to forget any unpleasantries we had in the past.

As far as where to find the crew requirements for a ferry flight, I would
have no idea where to even start looking.

Here is where I was coming from. It was my understanding, that you had to
have two pilots rated in type to fly the big stuff (or even some of the
biz
jets) on any type of flight. Is that not true? I don't know. That is
why
I asked. If it were true, all you had to say in a response (true or not)
that yes, there were two type rated pilots in the cockpit, and one was
kind
enough to let you have his seat for the flight. I know of no restrictions
that say both rated in type have to be at the controls, all of the time,
so
if that was the case, there is nothing to catch you in. (not that I want
to)
I am not evil.

Again, all I was doing was attempting to open a civil conversation, and
hear
more of your experience in this flight. You have done more than I will
ever
get the chance to do, so all I can do is live vicariously.

Can you put the past in the past? I can, and have.
--
Thanks
Jim in NC

I'm sorry, and you're right of course. I guess I'm a bit gun shy on Usenet
these days.
It seems that in the last month, I've seen a post saying I wasn't a pilot at
all, and that the only flying I do is with Microsoft's flight simulator.
Then I saw one that said I wasn't in the FAA data base. Then I saw one that
complained about my signature file. Then I saw one that said my name had
been found in the data base. Then I saw one that suggested I wasn't Dudley
Henriques at all. Then I saw one that said I could be an imposter using
Dudley Henriques' name.
I guess I've finally come to the conclusion that there really isn't any way
to verify I'm who I say I am, so based on that, there really isn't any
reason to believe anything I say as Dudley Henriques. I might as well use a
pseudonym and be done with it.
This of course is the basic Usenet equation that postulates the only thing
that matters is the quality of the information, which is fine, except for
the fact that I know who I am, and I'm the one taking the time to contribute
my life experience to the cause so to speak; so when I post an experience
I've had and someone questions it without one of these damn :-) things, and
in lieu of all the other crap I've had to endure on Usenet, I get a bit gun
shy with people. In your case, it was a mistake and I apologize. I'll make
an attempt to rectify the mistake.
As for the flight; it was a ferry flight to get the bird up to Fairbanks to
replace one that went down with a serious maintenance problem. Naturally I
was in the jump seat "officially", as I wasn't rated in the airplane. We
were short a flight engineer and had a crew of two plus myself. My friend
happened to be the chief check pilot for the DC8 and he flew the left seat.
I was asked to fly the right and did so all the way through taxi out to taxi
in. (with a little prompting of course from the left seat :-)
It was a great experience. I came home on the company Lear the next evening
and slept all the way :-))
Hope this helps a bit
Dudley

"Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote

My friend
happened to be the chief check pilot for the DC8 and he flew the left
seat.
I was asked to fly the right and did so all the way through taxi out to
taxi
in. (with a little prompting of course from the left seat :-)
It was a great experience. I came home on the company Lear the next
evening
and slept all the way :-))

Sounds like a great experience! Thanks for sharing.
--
Jim in NC

Morgans wrote:

"Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote


Based on the always present and usual situation whenever and every time

you

post to me, I'll just assume you would like nothing better than to "catch"
me on something untrue so rather than "explain" the circumstances of the
flight to you, I'll simply suggest that you check the crew requirements

for

a ferry flight and hope that will be the end of it.


Listen Dudley, I posted, I thought, a very civil question. I think it would
be way cool to get to fly the heavy stuff, even for a person such as
yourself, with lots of experience in other types. I would also think that
you would *not* have posted an experience in a public forum, where there
was something for you to have to hide, or anyone to able catch you in
anything. That was not my purpose, or goal, in any way.

And here I thought I was the only one that Dudley thought was out to get
him and who received nasty emails from him. :-)

I challenged him once and he got mad and took his marbles home and then
thought he could tell me that I couldn't respond to his public usenet
posts. I've never seen anyone get so upset over something so trivial in
the scheme of life and then hold a grudge with such vengeance. I
respond to usenet posts, not usenet posters. I don't hold grudges and
keep records and frankly don't understand those who do.

I remember a few years ago I replied to a post in another ng and the
person said that he was ignoring my post because of something I'd
written several YEARS earlier. :-) I was amazed that he kept track of
this that long. I didn't even remember his name or the conversation
until he reminded me. Life is way too short to hold grudges over usenet
conversations, IMO.


Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...
Morgans wrote:

"Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote


Based on the always present and usual situation whenever and every time

you

post to me, I'll just assume you would like nothing better than to
"catch"
me on something untrue so rather than "explain" the circumstances of the
flight to you, I'll simply suggest that you check the crew requirements

for

a ferry flight and hope that will be the end of it.


Listen Dudley, I posted, I thought, a very civil question. I think it
would
be way cool to get to fly the heavy stuff, even for a person such as
yourself, with lots of experience in other types. I would also think
that
you would *not* have posted an experience in a public forum, where
there
was something for you to have to hide, or anyone to able catch you in
anything. That was not my purpose, or goal, in any way.

And here I thought I was the only one that Dudley thought was out to get
him and who received nasty emails from him. :-)

Sorry, but I have never used the phrase "out to get him". That's a personal
choice of yours I think, designed to illicit a specific picture in the mind
of the reader. Typical and predictable Usenet technique I might add. :-)

I challenged him once and he got mad and took his marbles home

I think you really do like these negative discriptive phrases "took his
marbels home" is interesting I'll admit.


and then
thought he could tell me that I couldn't respond to his public usenet
posts.

If you mean I said you might have a problem making your point on the public
forum, you might be more correct.


I've never seen anyone get so upset over something so trivial in
the scheme of life and then hold a grudge with such vengeance.

Hardly upset. Your phrasing again. Actually, I don't hold grudges. I just
like or dislike people as I see fit.
Along the lines of what you have said here about my holding a grudge, I
notice you quoted only my initial response to the message you were using and
completely ommited my second response; the time between the two posts
indicating I held this 'grudge" for the length of one sensible post from the
poster you quoted. So you see, I don't hole grudges. In fact, my second post
would indicate that I respond immediately to intelligent and sincere comment
and am capable of a lighting quick apology to those whom I have mistakenly
tangeled with.
Perhaps if you used the same approach to me that the poster I answered in
this thread did, you and I wouldn't have had any issues.....but then you
didn't did you? Instead you insert a totally negative post. That's a shame,
but it's not my fault my friend.
Just to refreash your mind a bit, here's the response that completes the
quoted text....you know, the part you DIDN'T present in your post about me.

In this thread; DH wrote to Jim in NC;

"I'm sorry, and you're right of course. I guess I'm a bit gun shy on Usenet
these days.
It seems that in the last month, I've seen a post saying I wasn't a pilot at
all, and that the only flying I do is with Microsoft's flight simulator.
Then I saw one that said I wasn't in the FAA data base. Then I saw one that
complained about my signature file. Then I saw one that said my name had
been found in the data base. Then I saw one that suggested I wasn't Dudley
Henriques at all. Then I saw one that said I could be an imposter using
Dudley Henriques' name.
I guess I've finally come to the conclusion that there really isn't any way
to verify I'm who I say I am, so based on that, there really isn't any
reason to believe anything I say as Dudley Henriques. I might as well use a
pseudonym and be done with it.
This of course is the basic Usenet equation that postulates the only thing
that matters is the quality of the information, which is fine, except for
the fact that I know who I am, and I'm the one taking the time to contribute
my life experience to the cause so to speak; so when I post an experience
I've had and someone questions it without one of these damn :-) things, and
in lieu of all the other crap I've had to endure on Usenet, I get a bit gun
shy with people. In your case, it was a mistake and I apologize. I'll make
an attempt to rectify the mistake.
As for the flight; it was a ferry flight to get the bird up to Fairbanks to
replace one that went down with a serious maintenance problem. Naturally I
was in the jump seat "officially", as I wasn't rated in the airplane. We
were short a flight engineer and had a crew of two plus myself. My friend
happened to be the chief check pilot for the DC8 and he flew the left seat.
I was asked to fly the right and did so all the way through taxi out to taxi
in. (with a little prompting of course from the left seat :-)
It was a great experience. I came home on the company Lear the next evening
and slept all the way :-))

Yep!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Clearly shows a tendency to hold a grudge all right!!! And
absolutely NO tendency at all toward civil discourse I'd say!! Why I must be
every thing you said I am. Clearly!! :-))))

I respond to usenet posts, not usenet posters. I don't hold grudges and
keep records and frankly don't understand those who do.

Well....in this case I'd say that since you weren't involved in the
discussion to begin with, and CHOSE to insert a totally negative post about
someone who had not even addressed you in this thread, it just might be YOU
who has the problem here old buddy but that's not important really.
I'll just suggest that you re-read my response to Jim again.....BOTH of them
this time, then if you want to post again we'll talk about my 'grudge"
problem.......OR, you can post something about aviation next time, and we'll
see how THAT goes. I'm sure everybody else would appreciate that as well.
After all, it's an aviation newsgroup you know. :-))))))
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote:

And here I thought I was the only one that Dudley thought was out to get
him and who received nasty emails from him. :-)


Sorry, but I have never used the phrase "out to get him". That's a personal
choice of yours I think, designed to illicit a specific picture in the mind
of the reader. Typical and predictable Usenet technique I might add. :-)

True, I wasn't claiming to quote you, I was writing my impression.


I challenged him once and he got mad and took his marbles home


I think you really do like these negative discriptive phrases "took his
marbels home" is interesting I'll admit.

Again, a simple description that I think applies after your messages to
me that you refused to respond to any of my future replies. That is the
playground equivalent of takig your marbles and going home when you
don't like the way the game is turning out.


I've never seen anyone get so upset over something so trivial in

the scheme of life and then hold a grudge with such vengeance.


Hardly upset. Your phrasing again. Actually, I don't hold grudges. I just
like or dislike people as I see fit.
Along the lines of what you have said here about my holding a grudge, I
notice you quoted only my initial response to the message you were using and
completely ommited my second response; the time between the two posts
indicating I held this 'grudge" for the length of one sensible post from the
poster you quoted. So you see, I don't hole grudges. In fact, my second post
would indicate that I respond immediately to intelligent and sincere comment
and am capable of a lighting quick apology to those whom I have mistakenly
tangeled with.

I often trim posts for brevity, especially in current threads. I
assumed that those who read my post had read the previous posts so no
need to repeat everything. There was no intent on my part to mislead.


Perhaps if you used the same approach to me that the poster I answered in
this thread did, you and I wouldn't have had any issues.....but then you
didn't did you? Instead you insert a totally negative post. That's a shame,
but it's not my fault my friend.
Just to refreash your mind a bit, here's the response that completes the
quoted text....you know, the part you DIDN'T present in your post about me.

In this thread; DH wrote to Jim in NC;

"I'm sorry, and you're right of course. I guess I'm a bit gun shy on Usenet
these days.
It seems that in the last month, I've seen a post saying I wasn't a pilot at
all, and that the only flying I do is with Microsoft's flight simulator.
Then I saw one that said I wasn't in the FAA data base. Then I saw one that
complained about my signature file. Then I saw one that said my name had
been found in the data base. Then I saw one that suggested I wasn't Dudley
Henriques at all. Then I saw one that said I could be an imposter using
Dudley Henriques' name.
I guess I've finally come to the conclusion that there really isn't any way
to verify I'm who I say I am, so based on that, there really isn't any
reason to believe anything I say as Dudley Henriques. I might as well use a
pseudonym and be done with it.
This of course is the basic Usenet equation that postulates the only thing
that matters is the quality of the information, which is fine, except for
the fact that I know who I am, and I'm the one taking the time to contribute
my life experience to the cause so to speak; so when I post an experience
I've had and someone questions it without one of these damn :-) things, and
in lieu of all the other crap I've had to endure on Usenet, I get a bit gun
shy with people. In your case, it was a mistake and I apologize. I'll make
an attempt to rectify the mistake.
As for the flight; it was a ferry flight to get the bird up to Fairbanks to
replace one that went down with a serious maintenance problem. Naturally I
was in the jump seat "officially", as I wasn't rated in the airplane. We
were short a flight engineer and had a crew of two plus myself. My friend
happened to be the chief check pilot for the DC8 and he flew the left seat.
I was asked to fly the right and did so all the way through taxi out to taxi
in. (with a little prompting of course from the left seat :-)
It was a great experience. I came home on the company Lear the next evening
and slept all the way :-))

Yep!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Clearly shows a tendency to hold a grudge all right!!! And
absolutely NO tendency at all toward civil discourse I'd say!! Why I must be
every thing you said I am. Clearly!! :-))))


OK, I left it all here this time. :-) I was referring to the grudge
that you appeared to be holding against me, not against the other poster
here. If you aren't holding a grudge, I'm very glad to hear that.


I respond to usenet posts, not usenet posters. I don't hold grudges and
keep records and frankly don't understand those who do.


Well....in this case I'd say that since you weren't involved in the
discussion to begin with, and CHOSE to insert a totally negative post about
someone who had not even addressed you in this thread, it just might be YOU
who has the problem here old buddy but that's not important really.
I'll just suggest that you re-read my response to Jim again.....BOTH of them
this time, then if you want to post again we'll talk about my 'grudge"
problem.......OR, you can post something about aviation next time, and we'll
see how THAT goes. I'm sure everybody else would appreciate that as well.
After all, it's an aviation newsgroup you know. :-))))))

Agreed, aviation is a much better topic for discussion. :-)


Matt