Call signs

Paul Tomblin wrote:
In a previous article, "buttman" said:

saying "four" or something. When I file all I say for type is PA-28,
and to ATC guys a PA-28 is a Cherokee. So from that point on, I now use


I learned in our club's Warrior, and for the last 10 years I've been
flying a mixture of Warrior's, Archers, and Dakotas, and with one
exception everybody[1], both pilots and ATC, says "Cherokee".

The problem for me was that now I checked in the club's Lance, and ATC
always says "Lance". And my ears are used to listening for "Cherokee",
and so I miss a lot more radio calls in the Lance than I do in our various
Cherokees.

[1] There is one controller at Rochester who knows our planes, and if you
call him up with "Cherokee November 8323Yankee", he'll respond "Dakota
23Yankee cleared to...". Even he doesn't correct the Warrior and
Archers, and refers to them as Cherokees.

All the controller cares about is your speed. So he wants to know if
you are a "Cherokee" (Warrior, Arrow, ....) or a LearJet or a heavy.
That tells him about times and congestion problems, his job.

In a previous article, Stubby said:
All the controller cares about is your speed. So he wants to know if
you are a "Cherokee" (Warrior, Arrow, ....) or a LearJet or a heavy.
That tells him about times and congestion problems, his job.

Well, they care enough about the speed differences between a Warrior and a
Dakota that they changed them all from PA-28s to P28As and P28Bs
respectively.

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All the controller cares about is your speed. So he wants to know if
you are a "Cherokee" (Warrior, Arrow, ....) or a LearJet or a heavy.
That tells him about times and congestion problems, his job.

Well, they care enough about the speed differences between a Warrior and a
Dakota that they changed them all from PA-28s to P28As and P28Bs
respectively.

Right. A Pathfinder/Dakota cruises more than 20% faster than a Cherokee
140.

Which is why, when I've asked the tower controllers at Cedar Rapids, they
told me that they appreciated knowing that we're a "Dakota" rather than a
"Cherokee" -- as this knowledge enables them to scoot us around their little
chessboard a little faster. (Although, I suspect, 90% of the time it really
doesn't matter...)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:

All the controller cares about is your speed. So he wants to know if
you are a "Cherokee" (Warrior, Arrow, ....) or a LearJet or a heavy.
That tells him about times and congestion problems, his job.

Well, they care enough about the speed differences between a Warrior and a
Dakota that they changed them all from PA-28s to P28As and P28Bs
respectively.


Right. A Pathfinder/Dakota cruises more than 20% faster than a Cherokee
140.

Around here we very rarely see cherokees. People just don't find them
useful for mountain flying. If a pilot call in and uses Piper 12345 he
will get asked what type Piper. More than likely it will be a cub. I
care about the speed difference between a cub and a cherokee. Between a
cherokee 235 and a 140 isn't relavant to my planning.

Around here we very rarely see cherokees. People just don't find them
useful for mountain flying.

What, you guys don't have airports yet out West?

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:
Around here we very rarely see cherokees. People just don't find them
useful for mountain flying.


What, you guys don't have airports yet out West?

Sure we got airports. Cherokees just ain't any good when there aren't
airports.

Around here we very rarely see cherokees. People just don't find them
useful for mountain flying.


What, you guys don't have airports yet out West?

Sure we got airports. Cherokees just ain't any good when there aren't
airports.

Sounds like fun, but I suspect you're describing 1/10 of 1% of all flying.

Which isn't to say high wings don't have their good points. It's just
"off-airport usage" really isn't terribly relevant to the vast majority of
pilots.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Newps wrote:

Around here we very rarely see cherokees. People just don't find them
useful for mountain flying.
snip

That should read, "People don't know how useful they are for mountain
flying." :-))

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

Paul Tomblin wrote:

In a previous article, Stubby said:

All the controller cares about is your speed. So he wants to know if
you are a "Cherokee" (Warrior, Arrow, ....) or a LearJet or a heavy.
That tells him about times and congestion problems, his job.


Well, they care enough about the speed differences between a Warrior and a
Dakota that they changed them all from PA-28s to P28As and P28Bs
respectively.


They being center guys. 20 knots to a tower controller is trivial.

"Newps" wrote in message
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They being center guys. 20 knots to a tower controller is trivial.


Center guys had the designators changed? Why would they do that?