TRSA and /X

Newps wrote:


"Scott Migaldi" wrote in message
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Plain language: Because they do not have the trafic load required to be
Class C but much more traffic than what is being loaded into the class D
airports.


Has nothing to do with traffic levels. We were a TRSA here at BIL and
went right into class C when that all happened across the country. A
very few just stayed TRSA's. Class D is never an option for a facility
with a radar approach control.

Really? How do you explain KRDG, an airport in Class D airspace, which
has radar approach control? There is NO TRSA.

(The apprch frequency is also not on anywhere on or next to the chart,
so one needs to use a A/FD to find the frequency. I think the ATIS
includes the frequency, and the tower will direct you to switch to
approach frequency if you contact them first, although there is no
obligation to use approach if you decline it.)

Newps wrote:

Has nothing to do with traffic levels. We were a TRSA here at BIL and
went right into class C when that all happened across the country. A
very few just stayed TRSA's. Class D is never an option for a facility
with a radar approach control.

It may have been an option at one time. Not all TRSAs are leftover
from the old days. I recall that Fairbanks, AK had an approach control
and class D back in '99 (no TRSA). Looks like they've added a TRSA
since then.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

"Newps" wrote in message
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[...] Class D is never an option for a facility
with a radar approach control.

Never say "never": KEUG

There are probably others.

"Newps" wrote in message
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Class D is never an option for a facility with a radar approach control.


Duluth International Airport on the beautiful shores of Lake Superior has a
radar approach control and just Class D airspace. So do Rochester
International, Waterloo Municipal, Reading Regional, Grand Forks AFB, Minot
AFB, etc., etc., etc. Those are just what I can remember, I'm sure a little
research would turn up many more.

Why do TRSA's exist?

FAA funding and staffing requirements.

"Doug" wrote in message
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Why do TRSA's exist?

FAA funding and staffing requirements.


How do TRSAs affect those?

Thanks. I was aware of the voluntary nature of TRSA's,
which is why I specified VFR and asked if participation was
encouraged/permitted, not required. Let me ask the same
question in a more practical setting.

If you were flying XC VFR /X and your direct route took you
through a TRSA would you make a call and try to participate,
descend to fly under/alter course to avoid, or just fly on
through?

"Bob Gardner" wrote:

AIM 3-5-6 says that participation by VFR pilots is voluntary...and for IFR
pilots, TRSA's don't even exist in Part 71.

Bob Gardner

wrote in message
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Is VFR participation by a non transponder equipped aircraft
encouraged/permitted in a TRSA?

Thanks.

wrote:
Thanks. I was aware of the voluntary nature of TRSA's,
which is why I specified VFR and asked if participation was
encouraged/permitted, not required. Let me ask the same
question in a more practical setting.

If you were flying XC VFR /X and your direct route took you
through a TRSA would you make a call and try to participate,
descend to fly under/alter course to avoid, or just fly on
through?

I'd vote for making a call and and trying to participate. Worst that can happen
is "unable VFR advisories". I don't think there's any right answer.

wrote:
If you were flying XC VFR /X and your direct route took you
through a TRSA would you make a call and try to participate,
descend to fly under/alter course to avoid, or just fly on
through?

If it were me, I would just punch up the TRSA frequency and
monitor it, keeping up a good visual lookout while flying on
through (and avoiding the Class D). Based on I was hearing on
the frequency I may or may not want to check in with them.

wrote in message
...

Thanks. I was aware of the voluntary nature of TRSA's,
which is why I specified VFR and asked if participation was
encouraged/permitted, not required. Let me ask the same
question in a more practical setting.

If you were flying XC VFR /X and your direct route took you
through a TRSA would you make a call and try to participate,
descend to fly under/alter course to avoid, or just fly on
through?


I'd make a call and try to participate. ATC may or may not be able to
provide services, it all depends on whether they can see an adequate primary
radar target. I wouldn't alter my course or altitude in any case.