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Greg Esres wrote:

There ARE some ILS DME approaches out there (or were).

Aren't those approaches refering to DME for stepdowns for the GS-out LOC
approach?

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"Ben Jackson" wrote in message news:PAm9b.464249$o%2.205992@sccrnsc02...
In article ,
Greg Esres wrote:

There ARE some ILS DME approaches out there (or were).

Aren't those approaches refering to DME for stepdowns for the GS-out LOC
approach?

I went to find an ILS DME but can't find one. The one we had locally (IAD ILS 1L)
doesn't have DME in the title anymore, but it does say DME required on the plate.

I went to find an ILS DME but can't find one.

I don't have the current plates, but maybe someone can check the
Durango, CO, La Plata, ILS DME Rwy 2, or the ILS DME 34 at Denver
International.

Looking at the latest Providence plates, they renamed the ILS DME 34
to ILS34 with a note saying DME required. I also note that the ILS23
and ILS 5 are also now DME required and that the LOM's are no longer
charted (they are still operational, but I suspect on the verge of
decommissioning since they are not charted). I understand it is legal
to use an IFR GPS for DME intersections if they are in the database,
but what about a VFR GPS? Does this charting change now make it
illegal to fly any of the ILS's into Providence without a DME or IFR
GPS on board? Does this mean I need to either install a DME or pony
up for an IFR GPS? Kind of sucks to have to put out $1000's to fly
into an airport I've called home for 10 years.

Greg Esres wrote:

I went to find an ILS DME but can't find one.

I don't have the current plates, but maybe someone can check the
Durango, CO, La Plata, ILS DME Rwy 2, or the ILS DME 34 at Denver
International.

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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 17:27:35 -0400, Ray Andraka wrote:

I understand it is legal
to use an IFR GPS for DME intersections if they are in the database,
but what about a VFR GPS?

According to the AIM, you need to have an IFR approved GPS for that
purpose.


Does this charting change now make it
illegal to fly any of the ILS's into Providence without a DME or IFR
GPS on board? Does this mean I need to either install a DME or pony
up for an IFR GPS?

It sure looks that way. And it looks as if one of the ILS's requires DME
and ADF.

Kind of sucks to have to put out $1000's to fly
into an airport I've called home for 10 years.

Progress ng.



Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

Aren't those approaches refering to DME for stepdowns for the GS-out
LOC approach?

No, those approaches would have a note "DME Required" or "DME Required
for LOC minimums". (Or should.)

On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 17:23:59 GMT, (Ben Jackson) wrote:

Aren't those approaches refering to DME for stepdowns for the GS-out LOC
approach?

Again, according to TERPS para 161, those approaches will be named ILS.
The DME required will be in the notes. (This is not the same as a straight
LOC DME approach -- you specifically said GS-out so I infer that the
underlying approach is still an ILS).


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)