Who does flight plans?

Peter Duniho wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...

True, but only a few knots above in the Cessna's I've flown 150 - 182.


Per certification rules, the stall warning must occur AT LEAST 5 knots prior
to stall. In my experience, it commonly occurs with an even greater margin.

I think 5 is considered "a few" by most, even hair-splitters such as
yourself.


If you keep smoothly pulling back the yoke, the airspeed will bleed into
stall territory very shortly after you get a full stall horn.


No, it won't. The airplane will settle onto the runway before you stall.
You have to move the yoke pretty sharply to keep lift equal to weight at
that airspeed.

Yes, it does require that you accelerate the rearward movement of the
yoke as the plane begins to settle in order to hit the stop at or slight
before the tires touch.

Again, I guess it depends on how you define stall. To me, a stall has
occurred when I can't maintain altitude with the elevator full-up. That
is the condition in which I attempt to land in normal conditions (light
crosswind and lack of significant wind gusts). I've never flown a
Cessna with an AOA indicator so I can't say if I've achieved the
critical angle of attack prior to touchdown, but these have been called
"full stall landings" since before I was born so that is good enough for me.


Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...
I think 5 is considered "a few" by most, even hair-splitters such as
yourself.

Each person has their own definition. If you want to split hairs, you need
to use a more precise term. To me, "a few" is generally three, while I'd
use "several" for five or more.

In any case, the real question is how much before you stall will the horn go
off. It goes off much longer than a second before you stall the wing.

[...] but these have been called "full stall landings" since before I was
born so that is good enough for me.

As long as you understand that you are not actually stalling the airplane,
that's fine. Use whatever inaccurate terminology you like.

Pete

Peter Duniho wrote:

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...

I think 5 is considered "a few" by most, even hair-splitters such as
yourself.


Each person has their own definition. If you want to split hairs, you need
to use a more precise term. To me, "a few" is generally three, while I'd
use "several" for five or more.

If you check Websters it says a small number of units. Five is a small
number.


In any case, the real question is how much before you stall will the horn go
off. It goes off much longer than a second before you stall the wing.


[...] but these have been called "full stall landings" since before I was
born so that is good enough for me.


As long as you understand that you are not actually stalling the airplane,
that's fine. Use whatever inaccurate terminology you like.

I understand that I'm stalling the wing, not the airplane.

Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...
If you check Websters it says a small number of units. Five is a small
number.

My point is that "a few" is undefined with respect to a real number. If you
want someone to interpret your statement of "a few" with other than THEIR
definition, you need to be more specific. It is useless to come back later
and redefine it for them.

As long as you understand that you are not actually stalling the
airplane, that's fine. Use whatever inaccurate terminology you like.

I understand that I'm stalling the wing, not the airplane.

Now you're just being an ass; "stalling the airplane" is the same as
"stalling the wing". In any case, you are not stalling the wing either.

Pete