Avgas price and the light plane ownership

On 4-Jul-2005, "Matt Barrow" wrote:

Well, vapor lock has nothing to do with the type of fuel you're running.


On 4-Jul-2005, "Matt Barrow" wrote:

While unleaded autogas provides sufficient octane
to substitute for 80/87 avgas in low-compression engines, there are other
differences that can cause problems when using autogas in some engine
installations. The two most significant are lower vapor pressure -- which
can lead to vapor lock -- and incompatibility between some of the
additives in autogas and some components (particularly seals) in some
aircraft fuel
systems.


Hmm.... either there are two Matt Barrows (using the same e-mail address)
or else he is schizophrenic. Judging from some of his political views, I'd
say the later is a distinct possibility.
--
-Elliott Drucker

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On 4-Jul-2005, "Matt Barrow" wrote:

Well, vapor lock has nothing to do with the type of fuel you're running.


On 4-Jul-2005, "Matt Barrow" wrote:

While unleaded autogas provides sufficient octane
to substitute for 80/87 avgas in low-compression engines, there are other
differences that can cause problems when using autogas in some engine
installations. The two most significant are lower vapor pressure -- which
can lead to vapor lock -- and incompatibility between some of the
additives in autogas and some components (particularly seals) in some
aircraft fuel
systems.


Hmm.... either there are two Matt Barrows (using the same e-mail address)
or else he is schizophrenic. Judging from some of his political views,
I'd
say the later is a distinct possibility.
--
-Elliott Drucker

I'm keeping out of the politics on this one, except to say that two out of
every one of us could be schizophrenic.
After talking to a Shell Guru at a seminar my understanding is that the
vapour pressure issue with mogas can be of real concern and that mogas is
best used for low altitude work. His other push was the relative quality of
avgas versus mogas - not just in manufacture but in distribution. With what
I find in many of the auto fuel filters I change, I'd have to agree. I have
had about 15 cases from one local servo in the past 8 to 10 weeks. Now
that, in Oz, ethanol is included in much mogas, not to mention the odd
toluene shonk, I would be wary about mogas use for long haul or high
altitude. Also goes without saying that you don't get as far on a litre of
fuel containing ethanol and/or toluene.
Brian

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On 4-Jul-2005, "Matt Barrow" wrote:

Well, vapor lock has nothing to do with the type of fuel you're running.


On 4-Jul-2005, "Matt Barrow" wrote:

While unleaded autogas provides sufficient octane
to substitute for 80/87 avgas in low-compression engines, there are
other
differences that can cause problems when using autogas in some engine
installations. The two most significant are lower vapor pressure --
which
can lead to vapor lock -- and incompatibility between some of the
additives in autogas and some components (particularly seals) in some
aircraft fuel
systems.


Hmm.... either there are two Matt Barrows (using the same e-mail address)
or else he is schizophrenic. Judging from some of his political views,
I'd
say the later is a distinct possibility.

It's called correcting myself.

You call it schizophrenia, I call it maturity.

Get a ****ing clue, statist prick!

On 5-Jul-2005, "Matt Barrow" wrote:

Hmm.... either there are two Matt Barrows (using the same e-mail
address)
or else he is schizophrenic. Judging from some of his political views,
I'd say the latter is a distinct possibility.

It's called correcting myself.

You call it schizophrenia, I call it maturity.

Get a ****ing clue, statist prick!


Yeah, right.

For a while I was confused. How could someone as clearly challenged by the
English language (and common logic) as Mr. Barrow have composed the lucid
and intelligent comments in his second post regarding vapor lock (which
completely contradicted his earlier post on THE SAME DAY)? However, I took
his advice to heart and "got a clue." A simple Google search on the phrase
"incompatibility between some of the additives in autogas" pointed me to the
following website:
http://www.aviation-indonesia.com/mo...rticle&knid=16
It seems that in addition to his wealth of other shortcomings Mr. Barrow is
also a plagiarist.
--
-Elliott Drucker

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For a while I was confused. How could someone as clearly challenged by
the
English language (and common logic) as Mr. Barrow have composed the lucid
and intelligent comments in his second post regarding vapor lock (which
completely contradicted his earlier post on THE SAME DAY)? However, I
took
his advice to heart and "got a clue." A simple Google search on the
phrase
"incompatibility between some of the additives in autogas" pointed me to
the
following website:
http://www.aviation-indonesia.com/mo...rticle&knid=16
It seems that in addition to his wealth of other shortcomings Mr. Barrow
is
also a plagiarist.

Actually, he did cite the source of the words in that post, though it may
not have been obvious that he was doing so.

--Gary

Does the phrase "fermented grape juice" spring lightly to the tongue?

Jim




For a while I was confused. How could someone as clearly challenged by
the
English language (and common logic) as Mr. Barrow have composed the lucid
and intelligent comments in his second post regarding vapor lock (which
completely contradicted his earlier post on THE SAME DAY)?

"RST Engineering" wrote in message
...
Does the phrase "fermented grape juice" spring lightly to the tongue?

Scotch.

Dalwhinnie or Talasker.


Jim

For a while I was confused. How could someone as clearly challenged by
the
English language (and common logic) as Mr. Barrow have composed the
lucid
and intelligent comments in his second post regarding vapor lock (which
completely contradicted his earlier post on THE SAME DAY)?

Anyone ever heard of correcting a previous mistake?

Anyone ever done it without having to be bludgeoned with a crow bar? Nah!!

Considering your "normal" person , who will run with a mistake for years, or
even generations, I an imagine it is SHOCKING.

But then, I fully grasp (despite my being "challenged by the English
language") that words really do have objective meaning and I do consider
good hard evidence, rather than just my whims.

Were it only that others here had such honesty and integrity.

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
...
But then, I fully grasp (despite my being "challenged by the English
language") that words really do have objective meaning and I do consider
good hard evidence, rather than just my whims.

Were it only that others here had such honesty and integrity.

Honesty and integrity? We still await an explanation of your claim to have
gotten your July 4th misinformation from a "historical journal", American
History Digest--a journal whose existence has gone unnoticed by both the
Library of Congress and Google. (Moreover, when you first posted the
article, you credited it to "Source Unknown"--a peculiar "author" for a
journal piece, though standard for a chain-email.)

We're also waiting for you to either substantiate or retract the implausible
defamatory quote you attributed to Norman Thomas.

When Elliott learned he'd made a mistaken accusation earlier in this thread,
he promptly retracted it and apologized. *That's* what honesty and integrity
look like.

--Gary

("Matt Barrow" wrote)
Does the phrase "fermented grape juice" spring lightly to the tongue?

Scotch.

Dalwhinnie or Talasker.


Mmm. Two fingers.

....leaves eight for typing, by my count :-)


Montblack
"No going to the dark side!" - Sideways (2004)

On 5-Jul-2005, "Gary Drescher" wrote:

Actually, he did cite the source of the words in that post, though it may
not have been obvious that he was doing so.

It appears that the citation was somehow blocked from the viewing window of
my news reader, but I see it now upon re-loading the post. My apologies to
Mr. Barrow for the comments regarding plagiarism.

-Elliott Drucker