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Greg Farris wrote:
If you are to fly over an expanse of water or other inhospitible terrain, for a distance long enough to require re-fueling immediately prior (US-Europe ferry, for example) - You watch to see that they put the right fuel in your plane, but you can really only see what's stenciled on the side of the truck, not what's inside (call me paranoid - what if the line guy is someone I owe money to). How long do you have to fly before a fuel contamination problem manifests itself? Does this depend on how empty your tanks were? I'm guessing no - I'm guessing this type of problem - any serious fuel contamination problem - would show up within minutes. Anyone really know this. Anyone here learn this the hard way? No way to know. It takes awhile for water to settle in avgas; it could manifest itself immediately, or a few minutes after takeoff. Factors such as fuel system layout, amount of water, and effectiveness of fuel filters would all play a role. I wasn't particularly thrilled about taking on fuel for a Hughes 500 I delivered from Florida to San Juan, Puerto Rico, in a number of, ah, "isolated" spots. I was least pleased about taking fuel in Providenciales and the Dominican Republic. However, your risk of contamination (due to water, anyway) in Jet-A is lower than avgas, because Jet-A (and turbine engines) are more tolerant of water than pistons. In any case, I did a little 500 ft. traffic pattern after departing my first fuel stop in the DR, Puerto Plata, then headed east over the mountains. I've also noted, though far less certain, a number of vacuum or AI failures take place within the first minutes of flight, not to mention engines throwing rods etc. You can see what I'm getting at - how useful a survival instinct would it be to fly, say 20 minutes, up the Icelandic coast, then double back before setting out across the great void? (Obviously you've already taken the other measures, and you are wearing your survival gear etc). Sure, that's useful. Prove out the equipment before you commit. Hopefully you've already had some trials or other proving runs so you have a big-picture idea of what you're dealing with; the last test run, just prior to flight, will be to catch any last-minute gotchas. Another question : I read an official accident report (not a newspaper report) in which ground personnel refilled a small plane's oxygen tanks with compressed air before a mountain crossing. The pilot died in the ensuing accident, but miraculously the single passenger survived to confirm the oxygen-related unconciousness of the pilot as the cause of the crash. What could this pilot have done to defend against this "rare but not impossible" event? Realistically? Nothing. We could probably make some guesses and theorize about ways to prevent that from happening, but in the real world, we trust that an O2 fill is an O2 fill. Supervise the recharging of the tanks, is all I could say. We assume that in aviation - unlike on the road - we may kill ourselves by our own mistakes, but the likliehood of being killed by the mistakes of others is very far removed. This is certainly justified, however very far removed does not mean impossible, and our preventive measures should try to preclude suce events if we can. Absolutely. I've "prevented" problems by supervising the refueling of the Hawker 700 which I fly. It's possible, via a refueling control panel, for the fueler to put fuel where it doesn't belong, i.e. ventral and dorsal tanks when all I asked for was the wings to be topped. Since T/O with partial fuel in those tanks is not allowed, I'd have a real problem if the fueler accidentally fueled those tanks. Even worse is when the fueler tries to fill tanks that are already full and the airplane starts discharging fuel onto the ramp via a surge overflow vent. The EPA comes runnin'! My policy is to always be present when the aircraft is fueled. Good thoughts, Greg. -Ryan |
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