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Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article .com,
wrote:

Name other Commercial Airports that tax
residential property owners?
LAX ORD LGA?

be gone, Vamanos!

I was refering to the RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TAXES COLLECTED BY THE
MOOCHERS
OF DUPAGE COUNTY AIRPORT.

JG

Here's some homework, search the Chicago Tribune Archives back to at
least 1989
for a plane (AMR) landing short due to instrument issues, witnessed by
a UAL waiting
for takeoff at ORD.

And a prop crashing into Lemont Rd. (LL22), come back then.

And still waiting for detailed benefits of GA airports supported by
property tax dollars,
for non-pilots.

JG

In article .com,
wet the bed and whined:

Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article .com,
wrote:

Name other Commercial Airports that tax
residential property owners?
LAX ORD LGA?

be gone, Vamanos!

I was refering to the RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TAXES COLLECTED BY THE
MOOCHERS
OF DUPAGE COUNTY AIRPORT.

Does that bill separate out the taxes paid by the users of the airport?
In a lot of states, the local government collects taxes on aircraft and
hangars and puts the money into the General Fund. If some money is
coming out of the General Fund and going to the airport, it is just a
matter of bookkeeping.

Do you whine when some of your tax money goes toward roads or parks? How
about schools, when you don't have any children?

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Well-well:

CHI95FA161
HISTORY OF FLIGHT

On May 29, 1995, at 2004 central daylight time, a Beech A35, N8480A,
registered to GRS Company of Downers Grove, Illinois, impacted terrain
and trees off the departure end of runway 27, at Brookeridge Air Park
in Downers Grove, Illinois. The airplane was destroyed by impact and
post crash fire. The pilot and one passenger sustained serious
injuries. The personal 14 CFR Part 91 flight was operating in visual
meteorological conditions. No flight plan was on file. The local flight
was originating at the time of the accident.

The pilot stated that the airplane had been flown by a partner on a
flight to and from the Saint Louis, Missouri, area in the week prior to
the accident. When the airplane was in Saint Louis, it was fueled to
the top of both main tanks and the auxiliary tank with 100 LL aviation
fuel. The airplane was parked outside overnight while in Saint Louis.

When the airplane was returned to Brookeridge Air Park it was placed in
the pilot's hangar where it remained until the day of the accident. The
pilot stated that he pre-flighted the airplane in the morning of the
accident and found nothing unusual during the inspection. He said that
he drained the sumps and found no water or foreign matter in the fuel.
He did note that there was 100 LL in the main tanks.

He and a passenger conducted one local flight, which he described to be
less than one hour. At the end of this flight he landed and taxied to
the fuel pump where he serviced the two main tanks to the top with 80
octane aviation fuel. He stated that he did not drain the sumps after
the tanks were filled.

Again with one passenger, he prepared for another local flight. He said
he taxied N8480A to the east end of runway 27, did a normal run-up and
went through the checklist. He said that the fuel valve was selected to
the left tank. He said that the reason he knew this was from a visual
inspection and the fact that it was customary to start on the left tank
since all fuel bypassed by the carburetor was returned to the left
tank. He said that at no time during the day did he select the
auxiliary tank. He said that he was of the opinion that it was empty
and had no intention to use it.

He said that takeoff was normal, the airplane accelerated normally, and
a positive rate of climb was noted. At that time he selected the
landing gear to be retracted and started the flaps up. He said that at
about 75 to 100 feet above the ground the engine sustained a total
power loss. He said that he lowered the nose and changed the fuel to
the right tank and started pumping the manual fuel pump (wobble pump).
When this did not restore engine power, he took his left hand off the
wobble pump and held the yoke, while he moved the magneto switch with
his right hand. He then said that he realized that continued flight was
not possible and directed his attention to getting the airplane back on
the ground since there were trees ahead. He said he left the throttle
full open. He indicated that he had to force the airplane to the
ground, but due to the excess speed was able to use rudder control to
steer the airplane between two trees and avoid a residence.

He said that after the airplane came to rest there was a large fire
surrounding the airplane. He and his passenger exited the airplane
quickly, but both suffered serious thermal injuries.

The pilot stated that he did not know what caused the loss of power.

A witness to the accident furnished a written statement including
information similar to that of the pilot. He said that when he
approached the pilot just after the accident, the pilot told him that
he had switched the fuel tanks to get a restart, but there was no time.
This witness stated that once the airplane suffered a power loss, he
never heard it regain power.

OTHER DAMAGE

Trees were damaged during the impact and post accident fire.

PERSONAL INFORMATION

The pilot, born July 16, 1955, was the holder of a commercial
certificate and a flight instructor's certificate. He had ratings for
single and multi-engine land airplanes and an instrument rating for
airplanes. He was the holder of a second class medical issued October
27, 1994. His most recent biennial flight review was in the accident
airplane on November 11, 1994. His total flight experience was 1,087
hours with 47 hours in this make and model of airplane.

AIRCRAFT INFORMATION

The airplane was a Beech A35, serial number D-1900, N8480A. The
airplane had a total time in service of 4,878 hours at the time of the
accident. The most recent annual was conducted on April 20, 1995, and
had accumulated 19 hours since that inspection.

WRECKAGE AND IMPACT INFORMATION

The first indication of ground scars were horizontal cuts in the
taxiway/overrun of runway 27. The slashes were consistent with size and
location of the propeller blades. There were eleven parallel strikes.
The distance between the first two was 35.5 inches. From the beginning
of the marks to the main wreckage was a distance of 365 feet.

All components of the accident airplane were found in the debris trail.
The general heading of the ground scars followed the original departure
path and impacted trees at the departure end of the taxiway. The
fuselage remained upright and cabin door allowed egress for the
occupants.

The landing gear and flaps were retracted. No pre-existing mechanical
anomalies were found in the wreckage during the post accident
examination.

Both the right and left wing were broken away from the fuselage in the
vicinity of the fuel tanks allowing the fuel to spill out.

No fuel remained in either tank for examination. The fuel valve was on
the right tank selection.

FIRE

There was a post impact fire, which ignited during the impact and
destroyed much of the left wing and substantially damaged the fuselage.
The airplane had been fueled to the top of the main tanks just prior to
the accident.

This place has had more wrecks on a percentage of operations basis than
ORD.


Does it? What are the operations counts for ORD and LL22 and how many
wrecks have they had in the same time period?

Let's see, ORD does 100K's a year, LL22 maybe 10-20 a day.
During my 15 years in the area, Wrecks:
LL22-Two
ORD- an AMR jet hits the dirt, short of the rr. No injuries, but if you
miss the concrete and raise dirt clouds, thats a wreck in my book.
A decent record, but given Murphy's rule maybe a foam-er is due.

JG

So, what? How many people were killed/injured? Property damage? If the
answer is "none," then it is none of your damned business!

Well Orville Wright what do you call this?

Chicago Tribune
September 8, 2001
Author: John Chase, Tribune staff reporter.

A single-engine airplane cut electric and telephone wires Friday but
narrowly missed several homes as it skidded into a bank of trees across
the street from a firehouse near Darien.

The four people inside the six-seat Piper Saratoga escaped serious
injury even though the airplane split into several pieces before coming
to rest on forest preserve property. The plane's cabin remained intact.

"God was on their side," said Denis Vale, an off-duty Chicago police
officer who was among the first witnesses on the scene and helped yank
a passenger out of the plane seconds after it went down. "When I saw
that plane crash, I thought for sure everyone inside was dead."

Officials with the Federal Aviation Administration are investigating
the crash. The pilot, William Helwig Jr., 62, of Downers Grove, said he
had problems immediately after leaving the small airstrip that cuts
through the private Brookeridge subdivision near Darien.

"Upon takeoff, he began having engine difficulty and he tried to circle
back and land it, but he couldn't make it," said Robert Tinucci, chief
administrator with the Darien-Woodridge Fire Protection District. "We
were happy he was able to avoid any structures."

The plane went down just before noon and crashed across the street from
Darien-Woodridge's Fire Station No. 3 at 87th Street and Lemont Road.
Firefighters ran across the street and began tending to the victims,
officials said, and were quickly aided by personnel from other
firehouses and fire departments.

Helwig, an owner of the plane, was in fair condition at Good Samaritan
Hospital in Downers Grove, while his wife Charlene, 59, was treated and
released from Hinsdale Hospital. Stephen Stack, 67, of Chicago was
treated at Hinsdale Hospital and released, while his wife Lois, 53,
remained in fair condition at Good Samaritan with back pain.

Gary Weis, who lives next to the firehouse, was picking tomatoes in his
back yard when he looked over his shoulder and saw the airplane bearing
down his house.

The plane then banked left, Weis said, and avoided hitting his home by
just a few feet. A pine tree in Weis' front yard was cut in half by the
plane, bringing down phone and electric wires, which set some of his
bushes on fire.

"I think the pilot tried to avoid my house, thankfully," Weis said.

Fire officials immediately sprayed foam on the gasoline that leaked out
of the aircraft and put out the brush fires.

"They landed in a pocket between the trees and the homes and they were
lucky," Vale said.

Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article .com,
wet the bed and whined:

Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article .com,
wrote:

Name other Commercial Airports that tax
residential property owners?
LAX ORD LGA?

be gone, Vamanos!

I was refering to the RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TAXES COLLECTED BY THE
MOOCHERS
OF DUPAGE COUNTY AIRPORT.

Does that bill separate out the taxes paid by the users of the airport?
In a lot of states, the local government collects taxes on aircraft and
hangars and puts the money into the General Fund. If some money is
coming out of the General Fund and going to the airport, it is just a
matter of bookkeeping.

The breakdown is such:
From http://www.napervillehouses.co=ADm/property_taxes.htm


Taxing Authority 2003 Tax Rate
DuPage County .1999
DuPage County Forest Preserve .1419
DuPage Airport Authority .0230, (over $20 from yours
truely)

Do you whine when some of your tax money goes toward roads or parks? How
about schools, when you don't have any children?

This is an airport group, besides I consider the value of road taxes to
be reasonable, and not restricted to benefit less than ONE PERCENT of
the population, ditto for schools.=20

JG

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
wrote in message
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Let's see, ORD does 100K's a year, LL22 maybe 10-20 a day.
During my 15 years in the area, Wrecks:
LL22-Two
ORD- an AMR jet hits the dirt, short of the rr.

The full report for NTSB Report Number AAB-01-01 is available at
www.ntsb.gov/publictn/publictn.htm. On February 9, 1998, about 0954
central standard time (CST), a Boeing 727-223 (727), N845AA, operated
by American Airlines as flight 1340, impacted the ground short of the
runway 14R threshold at Chicago O'Hare International Airport (ORD)
while conducting a Category II (CAT II) instrument landing system (ILS)
coupled approach. Twenty-two passengers and one flight attendant
received minor injuries, and the airplane was substantially damaged.
The airplane, being operated by American Airlines as a scheduled
domestic passenger flight under the provisions of 14 Code of Federal
Regulations (CFR) Part 121, with 116 passengers, 3 flight crewmembers,
and 3 flight attendants on board, was destined for Chicago, Illinois,
from Kansas City International Airport (MCI), Kansas City, Missouri.
Daylight instrument meteorological conditions prevailed at the time of
the accident.

The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable
cause(s) of this accident as follows:

the failure of the flight crew to maintain a proper pitch attitude for
a successful landing or go-around. Contributing to the accident were
the divergent pitch oscillations of the airplane, which occurred during
the final approach and were the result of an improper autopilot
desensitization rate.

I call this a WRECK-JG

So the score is LL22-Two, ORD-One.

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So, what? How many people were killed/injured? Property damage? If the
answer is "none," then it is none of your damned business!

Well Orville Wright what do you call this?

Chicago Tribune
September 8, 2001
Author: John Chase, Tribune staff reporter.

A single-engine airplane cut electric and telephone wires Friday but
narrowly missed several homes as it skidded into a bank of trees across
the street from a firehouse near Darien.

Exactly.

Our community looked at the statistics and decided that we or our children
could be injured by vehicles. There were a couple of deaths over the 20
years that we have been here, and quite a few close calls. And every day
there is a kid being hit somewhere in the city.

So we are closing all the roads and banning cars from our subdivision. (And
there were a *lot* of them in our area... way more than the number of
airplanes at Meigs or even any of those other places).

Most of us are old and retired, so we don't have anywhere to go much anyway.
For those that do, they can walk across the park and catch a bus on the
other side.

A couple of guys owned really nice cars and were quite P.O.'ed about it, but
eventually they just had to leave them somewhere on the other side of the
park and walk like the rest of us.

A few people couldn't take the inconvenience and moved out, but good
riddance to them. They were quite well to do, too, and some said that their
leaving had an "economic impact", whatever that means. And their houses
took a long time to sell... One is still empty... getting kind of
dillapidated, too. We'll probably just tear it down and plant grass on the
lot.

We have a modern big-city hospital in our area, but the ambulances can't get
there directly from the suburbs anymore. When they do, they have to drop
the patients off on the outide of our subdivision, and wheel them into the
hospital on guerneys. It may take a little longer, but really, how many
emergency patients can you possibly get each day. But our children don't
have to worry about the traffic.

And it is really *beautiful* here now. We ripped up the pavement and put it
flower gardens and pools, planted extra tees. And set up some bleachers on
the larger boulevards for concerts and the like. Really pretty.

Strangely, though, I notice that some of our friends and family don't visit
much anymore. And the local businesses don't seem to be doing quite as well
as they once did. The one gas station closed, and the manager has been
having a problem finding another job... I think he's on welfare now.... But
it really only affected maybe 20 or 30 people, this drop in
business...doesn't really affect the community as a whole.

Our latest beef is that we know part of our taxes go toward the upkeep of
roads in other parts of town, but we are going to start working on getting
that corrected, right away.

Cheers. More people should buy homes here. You'll be amazed how safe it is
here now once the cars are gone.

In article .com,
wet the bed and whined some mo

e was dead."

Officials with the Federal Aviation Administration are investigating
the crash. The pilot, William Helwig Jr., 62, of Downers Grove, said he
had problems immediately after leaving the small airstrip that cuts
through the private Brookeridge subdivision near Darien.

"Upon takeoff, he began having engine difficulty and he tried to circle
back and land it, but he couldn't make it," said Robert Tinucci, chief
administrator with the Darien-Woodridge Fire Protection District. "We
were happy he was able to avoid any structures."

The plane went down just before noon and crashed across the street from
Darien-Woodridge's Fire Station No. 3 at 87th Street and Lemont Road.
Firefighters ran across the street and began tending to the victims,
officials said, and were quickly aided by personnel from other
firehouses and fire departments.

Helwig, an owner of the plane, was in fair condition at Good Samaritan
Hospital in Downers Grove, while his wife Charlene, 59, was treated and
released from Hinsdale Hospital. Stephen Stack, 67, of Chicago was
treated at Hinsdale Hospital and released, while his wife Lois, 53,
remained in fair condition at Good Samaritan with back pain.

Gary Weis, who lives next to the firehouse, was picking tomatoes in his
back yard when he looked over his shoulder and saw the airplane bearing
down his house.

The plane then banked left, Weis said, and avoided hitti


Do you whine the same way when a truck hits a power pole and blacks out
the neighborhood, or do you just have a hardon for aviators?

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In article .com,
wrote:

Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article .com,
wet the bed and whined:

Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article .com,
wrote:

Name other Commercial Airports that tax
residential property owners?
LAX ORD LGA?

be gone, Vamanos!

I was refering to the RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TAXES COLLECTED BY THE
MOOCHERS
OF DUPAGE COUNTY AIRPORT.

Does that bill separate out the taxes paid by the users of the airport?
In a lot of states, the local government collects taxes on aircraft and
hangars and puts the money into the General Fund. If some money is
coming out of the General Fund and going to the airport, it is just a
matter of bookkeeping.

The breakdown is such:
From http://www.napervillehouses.co*m/property taxes.htm


Taxing Authority 2003 Tax Rate
DuPage County .1999
DuPage County Forest Preserve .1419
DuPage Airport Authority .0230, (over $20 from yours
truely)

Do you whine when some of your tax money goes toward roads or parks? How
about schools, when you don't have any children?

This is an airport group, besides I consider the value of road taxes to
be reasonable, and not restricted to benefit less than ONE PERCENT of
the population, ditto for schools.

We pay for wilderness areas that are accessible only to elitist
backpackers and nobody pays any attention; we pay for tennis courts at
parks -- how many people play tennis or backpack?

The argument is specious.

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