MOA??

"John Doe" wrote in message
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MILITARY OPERATIONS AREA (MOA): Airspace established outside the Positive
Control Area (PCA) to separate/segregate certain military activities from
IFR traffic and to identify for VFR traffic where these activities are
conducted. Whenever a MOA is active, nonparticipating IFR traffic may be
cleared through the area provided ATC can ensure IFR separation;
otherwise, ATC will reroute or restrict nonparticipating IFR traffic.

Military does not get exclusive use of a MOA, just because it's identified
as a MOA.


Nobody said otherwise.



A MOA is just a chunk of VFR airspace that's been identified by ATC as an
area used by military traffic.


It's a bit more than that. You're essentially describing an Alert Area.
But the FAR restrictions on speed and aerobatics apply in Alert Areas, not
so in MOAs.



Yea, actually they do. I have over 2000 hours flying military jets in
MOAs and every single time I have been in contact with ATC. They normally
have a UHF working freq assigned to the MOA that military aircraft will
monitor. While not actively receiving any services from ATC while in the
MOA, ATC always has a freq to contact them on if needed, Guard being the
last resort. I have recieved countless changes to my clearance while in a
MOA, effecting my block altitudes, traffic advisories, etc from ATC while
working in MOAs.


I have over twenty years experience as an air traffic controller. I've
worked airspace that contained or was adjacent to MOAs, ATCAAs, Restricted
Areas, MTRs, and aerial refueling tracks. That includes the Falls 1 MOA,
which is the one under discussion here. Your limited experience with a few
MOAs does not apply to all of them, what you wrote about the Falls 1 MOA is
incorrect.



Already commented on this. Yes they are, just not the one you're
listening to. They are not on same VHF freq as civilian traffic. ATC is
talking to them on a seperate UHF freq, specific to that MOA.


Again, you're assuming all MOAs are consistent with your experience. They
are not. I've worked many military aircraft into MOAs and out of them. It
was common for them to file flight plans to a point just inside the MOA and
cancel IFR and leave the frequency just before entering the airspace.
They'd also file a return flight plan from the same point, the only time
they were on ATC frequency while within the active MOA was to pick up their
return clearance.