X-C from NC to FL over Atlantic ?

I have flown SSI to PBI.
ATC will try to get you to fly offshore if you file the shoreline route.
With each frequency change, I was given an amended clearance which I
declined. The comments section of my flight plan contained the notice
"NO OVERWATER ROUTING ACCEPTED, NO FLOATATION GEAR ON BOARD".
ATC does not get this information from FSS unless they request it.
ATC personel are not pilots and do not understand that light GA aircraft
cannot glide from offshore routes to the beach.
Do not accept an offshore amended clearance.

jsmith wrote:

Do not accept an offshore amended clearance.


.... unless you want one (as the OP apparently does).

I assume you are referring to V3. V3 is 5 miles max from the shoreline
between SSI and PBI. from 7 or 8k up, that is a 5:1 glide. I fly that
route in my Maule if winds are acceptable.

I think the original poster may have been thinking V437. I don't do
that one.

jsmith wrote:
I have flown SSI to PBI.
ATC will try to get you to fly offshore if you file the shoreline route.
With each frequency change, I was given an amended clearance which I
declined. The comments section of my flight plan contained the notice
"NO OVERWATER ROUTING ACCEPTED, NO FLOATATION GEAR ON BOARD".
ATC does not get this information from FSS unless they request it.
ATC personel are not pilots and do not understand that light GA aircraft
cannot glide from offshore routes to the beach.
Do not accept an offshore amended clearance.

"Maule Driver" wrote in message
m...
I assume you are referring to V3. V3 is 5 miles max from the shoreline
between SSI and PBI. from 7 or 8k up, that is a 5:1 glide. I fly that
route in my Maule if winds are acceptable.

I think the original poster may have been thinking V437. I don't do that
one.


Actually I was thinking more direct from RDU to TIX which takes you well
east of V437.

You can legally do that VFR, but probably not IFR. It looks like you would
be passing through several Warning areas and possibly some restricted areas.
If the warning areas are cold, and they have been turned back over to
center, they will let you transit IFR. The areas are usually hot except
late at night and weekends, depending on military activity. Those warning
areas can be particularly busy during military exercises and are frequently
used for live fire of guns and missiles.

If you go VFR, make sure you file the appropriate flight plans or you might
find a fighter escort that was scrabled to figure out who you were. You can
be billed for the fighters' flight time if you have not followed the rules
on ADIZ penetrations.

Paul


"John Doe" wrote in message
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"Maule Driver" wrote in message
m...
I assume you are referring to V3. V3 is 5 miles max from the shoreline
between SSI and PBI. from 7 or 8k up, that is a 5:1 glide. I fly that
route in my Maule if winds are acceptable.

I think the original poster may have been thinking V437. I don't do that
one.


Actually I was thinking more direct from RDU to TIX which takes you well
east of V437.

I just can't my head around flying out over the Atlantic for that
particular flight. The great circle is 453 while a dogleg over KSSI is
473. That 11 mins in my putt putt.

There would need to be an island full of the scantily clad or something
to motivate me.

John Doe wrote:
"Maule Driver" wrote in message
m...

I assume you are referring to V3. V3 is 5 miles max from the shoreline
between SSI and PBI. from 7 or 8k up, that is a 5:1 glide. I fly that
route in my Maule if winds are acceptable.

I think the original poster may have been thinking V437. I don't do that
one.
Actually I was thinking more direct from RDU to TIX which takes you well
east of V437.

jsmith wrote:

I have flown SSI to PBI.
ATC will try to get you to fly offshore if you file the shoreline route.
With each frequency change, I was given an amended clearance which I
declined. The comments section of my flight plan contained the notice
"NO OVERWATER ROUTING ACCEPTED, NO FLOATATION GEAR ON BOARD".
ATC does not get this information from FSS unless they request it.
ATC personel are not pilots and do not understand that light GA aircraft
cannot glide from offshore routes to the beach.
Do not accept an offshore amended clearance.


In an instrument groundschool I took the instructor told a war story of
flying a 172 IFR up the NE coast and ATC tried to route him way out
over the water. He declined that route, no flotation on board, etc. and
ATC said OK, we'll give you vectors to keep you over land and away from
traffic. A while later while flying the vectors he came to a hole in
the clouds and realized they had vectored him well over the water, like
out of sight of land (this was before the days of GPS, etc).

On 7/7/2005 12:16, xyzzy wrote:

jsmith wrote:

I have flown SSI to PBI.
ATC will try to get you to fly offshore if you file the shoreline route.
With each frequency change, I was given an amended clearance which I
declined. The comments section of my flight plan contained the notice
"NO OVERWATER ROUTING ACCEPTED, NO FLOATATION GEAR ON BOARD".
ATC does not get this information from FSS unless they request it.
ATC personel are not pilots and do not understand that light GA aircraft
cannot glide from offshore routes to the beach.
Do not accept an offshore amended clearance.


In an instrument groundschool I took the instructor told a war story of
flying a 172 IFR up the NE coast and ATC tried to route him way out
over the water. He declined that route, no flotation on board, etc. and
ATC said OK, we'll give you vectors to keep you over land and away from
traffic. A while later while flying the vectors he came to a hole in
the clouds and realized they had vectored him well over the water, like
out of sight of land (this was before the days of GPS, etc).


Wow, must have been before the days of positional awareness as well ;-\

--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Student
Sacramento, CA

xyzzy wrote:
In an instrument groundschool I took the instructor told a war story of
flying a 172 IFR up the NE coast and ATC tried to route him way out
over the water. He declined that route, no flotation on board, etc. and
ATC said OK, we'll give you vectors to keep you over land and away from
traffic. A while later while flying the vectors he came to a hole in
the clouds and realized they had vectored him well over the water, like
out of sight of land (this was before the days of GPS, etc).

When I wouldn't accept the victor airway/waypoint routing, they tried to
get me to fly the magnetic heading for the same features. I continued
to fly the route I had filed and acknowledged the assigned heading each
time they asked. Strong crosswinds that day.