Meigs now enjoyed by all!

Judah wrote:
wrote in news:1120327643.302827.150340
@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

With the opening of the Concert Stage, the common taxpayer now enjoys
a park property previously restricted to jet-setters.


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Are you kidding?

1. Have you seen those ticket prices? You could have learned to fly for
less!

Free listening on a blanket in the park.

2. Jets didn't land at Meigs. The folks who flew out of Meigs were
specifically NOT jet-setters.

Others have reputed this.


3. Single Engine Prop planes make substantially less noise than most of the
bands listed [Black Eyed Peas, for example]

The arena speakers face outwards, towards the lake.


4. Companies like Clear Channel and TicketMaster will give back much more
to the local community than the aviation businesses based at Meigs?

AV moved to MDW, a great savings due to economies of scale: fuel, mech,
fire etc. already
there. BooKoo GA capacity in CGX area.

How
many jobs have they created at the concert arena?

The usual arena type: vending, ushers, stage, etc.

The common taxpayer was swindled into subsidizing another Media
Conglomerate winfall project...

The revenues from Clear Channel will fund future park facilities on
NORTHERLY ISLAND. No
mooching from taxpayers.

Congratulations!

Its a great addition, air pollution will be reduced as people don't
need to drive to remote concert
sheds.

JG

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1. Have you seen those ticket prices? You could have learned to fly for
less!


Free listening on a blanket in the park.


That's for moochers.



2. Jets didn't land at Meigs. The folks who flew out of Meigs were
specifically NOT jet-setters.


Others have reputed this.


Few jets could use Meigs, the runway was only 3899' long and runway 18 had a
displaced threshold leaving only 3350' available for landing traffic.



4. Companies like Clear Channel and TicketMaster will give back much more
to the local community than the aviation businesses based at Meigs?


AV moved to MDW, a great savings due to economies of scale: fuel, mech,
fire etc. already there. BooKoo GA capacity in CGX area.


GA capacity in the CGX area has been zero since CGX was closed.



How many jobs have they created at the concert arena?


The usual arena type: vending, ushers, stage, etc.


How does that compare with the jobs lost by the closure of CGX?



The common taxpayer was swindled into subsidizing another Media
Conglomerate winfall project...


The revenues from Clear Channel will fund future park facilities on
NORTHERLY ISLAND. No
mooching from taxpayers.


The revenues from Clear Channel will find their way to Daley's pocket. The
taxpayers lost an asset when Meigs was closed, they didn't need another
park.



Congratulations!


Its a great addition, air pollution will be reduced as people don't
need to drive to remote concert
sheds.


It's a loss. Parks were surplus in Chicago, they're short on airports.

Free listening on a blanket in the park.


That's for moochers.

The PUBLIC PARKS are open until 2300, by your criteria boaters docked
there listening are moochers
too.

2. Jets didn't land at Meigs. The folks who flew out of Meigs were
specifically NOT jet-setters.


Others have reputed this.


Few jets could use Meigs, the runway was only 3899' long and runway 18 had a
displaced threshold leaving only 3350' available for landing traffic.

a post by your friends of NORTHERLY ISLAND:

Meigs provides huge economic benefits to the downtown
business district of Chicago. Calculations based on a
1993
City of Chicago study indicate that--using extremely
conservative assumptions--Meigs contributes a minimum of

1,500 jobs and $57.3 million annually to the local
economy,
and perhaps 10 or more times those numbers. A survey
indicates that 76% of arriving (non-airline) aircraft
are in
Chicago to do business downtown. The large majority of
these
are large twin engine turboprop or executive jet
aircraft,

4. Companies like Clear Channel and TicketMaster will give back much more
to the local community than the aviation businesses based at Meigs?

AV moved to MDW, a great savings due to economies of scale: fuel, mech,
fire etc. already there. BooKoo GA capacity in CGX area.

GA capacity in the CGX area has been zero since CGX was closed.

MDW is 8 miles to the southwest. 4800 West, 5500 South.

The common taxpayer was swindled into subsidizing another Media
Conglomerate winfall project...

The revenues from Clear Channel will fund future park facilities on
NORTHERLY ISLAND. No
mooching from taxpayers.


The revenues from Clear Channel will find their way to Daley's pocket. The
taxpayers lost an asset when Meigs was closed, they didn't need another
park.

What is YOUR EVIDENCE, do you process the mayor's tax return?

Congratulations!

Its a great addition, air pollution will be reduced as people don't
need to drive to remote concert
sheds.


It's a loss. Parks were surplus in Chicago, they're short on airports.

Again, what's YOUR evidence that the CPD has a park surplus?

JG

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Meigs provides huge economic benefits to the downtown
business district of Chicago. Calculations based on a 1993
City of Chicago study indicate that--using extremely
conservative assumptions--Meigs contributes a minimum of

1,500 jobs and $57.3 million annually to the local economy,
and perhaps 10 or more times those numbers. A survey
indicates that 76% of arriving (non-airline) aircraft are in
Chicago to do business downtown. The large majority of these
are large twin engine turboprop or executive jet aircraft,

Will the new park and Arena contribute that much to the local economy?
How many people will come in from hundreds of miles out of town to see
concerts there? Of course, if they fly in, they will have to go to MDW
or ORD and pay the exhorbitant fees found in those places.


The simple fact is that while there are SOME people who are "jet
setters" as you say, and use GA as their "rich people toys", there are
many more who use GA for legitimate, practical, and community serving
purposes.

There are people who use small aircraft to get to work, or to travel
between business locations. Sales representatives use small aircraft to
visit customer sites and sales calls and make their living. Many people
fly for recreational purposes - just to get away, much like many people
own boats for recreational purposes. But these people are not rich
people, just ordinary people who use aircraft like you would use your
car because it suits their needs better. Many fly planes that sell for
prices that are in the same range as a luxury car. (There are even
planes that can be purchased for less than a Hyundai!)

Many of these pilots also volunteer to fly patients and their families
for Angel Flight and other similar public service missions to provide
care, compassion, or emergency medical services. Or they fly for the
Auxiliary Air Force or Auxiliary Coast Guard and help protect or save
people just like you.

And of course, as someone pointed out in another thread on this
newsgroup, the Airline pilots that fly the 737s and DC-10s out of MDW
and ORD weren't born with the yellow and black stripes on their
shoulders. They spent many years in places like Miegs learning to fly,
training others to fly, and gaining the knowledge and experience
required to safely carry hundreds of passengers and their cargo across
the country in large Airline Jets.

Maybe some day you'll find yourself sitting at that beach with your
kids, listening to the echoes of the rock concert banging away at what
used to be Meigs Field. Your son will look up at the sky and point and
says, "Look Daddy! Airplane! Airplane!" You can tell him the story of
how before he was born, people used to come to that very place with
their kids and get airplane rides for $35. But you can't take him for
one because the people of Chicago would rather pay their cable company
to listen to a bunch of street hoodlums yell about killing cops and
raping women with the tunes of oldies playing in the background.


Enjoy the concert.

Judah wrote:

But these people are not rich
people, just ordinary people who use aircraft like you would use your
car because it suits their needs better. Many fly planes that sell for
prices that are in the same range as a luxury car. (There are even
planes that can be purchased for less than a Hyundai!)

Even if we assume that some of these recreational and business visitors
arrive by jet, that just means that they'd have brought more money to spend
in the local economy (on the assumption that jet's cost more and therefore
those in jets have more to spend {8^).

That money is now going elsewhere.

- Andrew

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The PUBLIC PARKS are open until 2300, by your criteria boaters docked
there listening are moochers too.


Isn't partaking of something paid for by someone else your definition of
mooching?



a post by your friends of NORTHERLY ISLAND:

Meigs provides huge economic benefits to the downtown
business district of Chicago. Calculations based on a
1993
City of Chicago study indicate that--using extremely
conservative assumptions--Meigs contributes a minimum of

1,500 jobs and $57.3 million annually to the local
economy,
and perhaps 10 or more times those numbers. A survey
indicates that 76% of arriving (non-airline) aircraft
are in
Chicago to do business downtown. The large majority of
these
are large twin engine turboprop or executive jet
aircraft,


Yes, closing CGX was a terrific blunder.



MDW is 8 miles to the southwest. 4800 West, 5500 South.


I see we agree on something.



What is YOUR EVIDENCE, do you process the mayor's tax return?


What is my evidence of what?



Again, what's YOUR evidence that the CPD has a park surplus?


Look at a map. Most of the lakeshore is occupied by parks.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
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The PUBLIC PARKS are open until 2300, by your criteria boaters docked
there listening are moochers too.


Isn't partaking of something paid for by someone else your definition of
mooching?

The PUBLIC PARKS are open until 2300, no alcohol. The view is
spectacular,
a great skyline and Soldier Field, NFL mega-mooch for another n.g..

There happens to be some familiar amplified sound in the area and the
local harbor guards don't question anyone stopping and listening.
Maybe a young kid will listen and be inspired to learn music, or they
can drop in LANSING for a plane ride, their choice.


a post by your friends of NORTHERLY ISLAND:

Meigs provides huge economic benefits to the downtown
business district of Chicago. Calculations based on a
1993
City of Chicago study indicate that--using extremely
conservative assumptions--Meigs contributes a minimum of

1,500 jobs and $57.3 million annually to the local
economy,
and perhaps 10 or more times those numbers.

A "calculation" thats "perhaps" wrong by a factor of TEN.



MDW is 8 miles to the southwest. 4800 West, 5500 South.


I see we agree on something.

Which is it? 8 or 4 miles like you posted in 2003:

I'm not familiar with the area, and too lazy to look it up, but is there
another airport with-in gliding distance?

Midway is about four miles southwest.---Steven


Your postings indicate and out of state residency and Steven or RON
wants to dictate municipal facilities to 3 million residents.




What is YOUR EVIDENCE, do you process the mayor's tax return?


What is my evidence of what?

"The revenues from Clear Channel will find their way to Daley's
pocket."




Again, what's YOUR evidence that the CPD has a park surplus?


Look at a map. Most of the lakeshore is occupied by parks.

Most? Portions occupy the space between LSD and the lake, and portions
are private residencies and industrial. What's your standard for
adequate public parks, for 3 million people?

JG

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wrote:


Again, what's YOUR evidence that the CPD has a park surplus?


Look at a map. Most of the lakeshore is occupied by parks.

Most? Portions occupy the space between LSD and the lake, and portions
are private residencies and industrial. What's your standard for
adequate public parks, for 3 million people?

JG

OK, buster, let's turn the tables: what do you think should be the
standard for adequate GA airports for a city of 3 million people?

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Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article .com,
wrote:


Again, what's YOUR evidence that the CPD has a park surplus?


Look at a map. Most of the lakeshore is occupied by parks.

Most? Portions occupy the space between LSD and the lake, and portions
are private residencies and industrial. What's your standard for
adequate public parks, for 3 million people?

JG

OK, buster, let's turn the tables: what do you think should be the
standard for adequate GA airports for a city of 3 million people?

I frankly haven't seen a movement by a large portion of the citizens
for more capacity. MDW's size is 1 square mile and seems to due just
fine.
ORD takes GA, but ya gotta pay the fees. Land is expensive, so there's
a limit for any new fields within city limits. Outside, Lansing, Gary,
DPA, Shaumburg, Palwaukee, and Waukegan serve the region fine.


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wrote in message
oups.com...

Isn't partaking of something paid for by someone else your definition of
mooching?


The PUBLIC PARKS are open until 2300, no alcohol. The view is
spectacular, a great skyline and Soldier Field, NFL mega-mooch for another
n.g..

There happens to be some familiar amplified sound in the area and the
local harbor guards don't question anyone stopping and listening.
Maybe a young kid will listen and be inspired to learn music, or they
can drop in LANSING for a plane ride, their choice.


But isn't partaking of something paid for by someone else your definition of
mooching?



A "calculation" thats "perhaps" wrong by a factor of TEN.


Yes, the benefits may actually be far greater.



I see we agree on something.


Which is it? 8 or 4 miles like you posted in 2003:


What we agreed on is that GA capacity in the CGX area has been zero since
CGX was closed.



"The revenues from Clear Channel will find their way to Daley's
pocket."


Simple logic. You don't really believe he'd have a public asset like CGX
destroyed without personal gain do you?



Most?


Yes, most. Have you ever been to Chicago?