Why bother about light aircraft noise.

I realize I am considered an unwelcome "troll" on this board, but thank you
anyway for your excellent post.

As someone who lives about 3 miles from a GA facility, I can say that the
small single engine GA planes (C-150s, 172s, etc., and certainly the
smaller "experimental" types, are not a major nuisance. I specifically
avoided purchasing property off the ends of the runways, because I
realized the noise would be intrusive.

However, even where I am, I find that there are very inconsiderate pilots
who fly high performance Mooneys and even Pitts below 1000 feet at high
rpm and in clear conditions with no competing traffic. The local airport
has "voluntary" noise abatement procedures, which are routinely ignored by
certain pilots, and of course the FAA makes, at best, perfunctory efforts
to identify offending pilots.

After going to several meetings concerning the planned "improvements"
(i.e. expansions) of the local airport, I saw quite a large number of
people were severely bothered by the unnecessary noise of the
irresponsible few pilots. Of course, some of the local pilot community
has the "to hell with them" attitude (they were at the meeting), and it
became pretty antagonistic.

Since the industry won't police its own, the airport manager doesn't care
and/or is powerless, and the FAA is indifferent to community noise issues,
we so-called anti-GA activists have taken the battle to the politicians,
and the airport is definitely paying a price. I have raised the issue of
local subsidies that our airport is asking from the city (the huge FAA
subsidies are apparently not enough), safety concerns of expanding the
airport, water pollution issues (the runway extension would require
elimination of wetlands), subsidies, etc. and have gotten many responses
from local, state and federal officials. I have had several letters to
the editor published. I have started posting on this and other boards.

I never wanted this fight, but when I am continously and unnecessarily
harrased by low flying pilots in high performance planes, or twin engine
planes in a hurry to get somewhere and/or save fuel by avoiding the noise
abatement suggested routes, I will fight back using every legal means at
my disposal.

I really don't care all that much about the safety and pollution issues.
I care somewhat more about the taxpayer subsidies. But the unnecessary
noise by an irresponsible few has energized me to research and monitor my
local airport, its finances, etc.

For those who dismiss the complainers as cranks, whiners, trolls, or nut
cases (or jealous - LOL), you are digging your own graves. There are
serious and intelligent people who are fighting your industry, and doing
our best to raise the cost of doing business.

I believe in live and let live, but some pilots don't, so I have become a
vocal and constant critic. And, groups are forming to counter the pilots
groups. Its unfortunate, but I won't be driven from my home by private
pilots.

Skylune wrote:

The local airport
has "voluntary" noise abatement procedures, which are routinely ignored by
certain pilots, and of course the FAA makes, at best, perfunctory efforts
to identify offending pilots.

Noise abatement programs are not the jurisdiction of the FAA. The FAA
does not design or enforce noise abatement programs. Those programs are
local.

True, although there is a noise complaint site for New England on the FAA
website, which I and others have determined is purely for show value.

Furthermore, the FAA funds the ridiculous Part 150 studies noise
compatibility studies, which (as you note) they are not responsible for
enforcing. In our case, NO ONE is responsible for monitoring or
enforcing the voluntary noise abatement procedures -- the airport manager
is either powerless or does not care. Therefore (and unfortunately),
litigation and political pressure are our only recourse to protect our
community. So that's what it has come to in my area. (Expect more
litigation too....)

As I said previously, I will not be driven from my home so that a few
cowboys can have a good time. We did not ask for this fight -- it was
forced upon us. And now, we will use every opportunity and newsbite (user
fees, requested subsidies from the city, water pollution, noise pollution,
traffic concerns, safety issues, etc.) to fight back and raise the pilots'
cost of doing business. Trust me, the local airport can already forget
about the funds they've requested from the city for improvements.

In article
outaviation.com,
"Skylune" wrote:

True, although there is a noise complaint site for New England on the FAA
website, which I and others have determined is purely for show value.

Furthermore, the FAA funds the ridiculous Part 150 studies noise
compatibility studies, which (as you note) they are not responsible for
enforcing. In our case, NO ONE is responsible for monitoring or
enforcing the voluntary noise abatement procedures -- the airport manager
is either powerless or does not care. Therefore (and unfortunately),
litigation and political pressure are our only recourse to protect our
community. So that's what it has come to in my area. (Expect more
litigation too....)

As I said previously, I will not be driven from my home so that a few
cowboys can have a good time. We did not ask for this fight -- it was
forced upon us. And now, we will use every opportunity and newsbite (user
fees, requested subsidies from the city, water pollution, noise pollution,
traffic concerns, safety issues, etc.) to fight back and raise the pilots'
cost of doing business. Trust me, the local airport can already forget
about the funds they've requested from the city for improvements.

Have you ever attempted reasonable discourse on the subject? IIRC, you
came to this newsgroup like the proverbial turd in the punchbowl,
looking to chastise everybody who flies.

Nobody is driving you from your home, but YOU are ready to drive us from
ours!

Most of us in this NG are not afraid to post our real names, rather than
using some fake handle, such as yourself. IMHO, you have little more
standing than the London terrorist bombers.

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"Orval Fairbairn" wrote in message
news
In article
outaviation.com,
"Skylune" wrote:

Orval,

Don't feed the troll!!

1. Using my actual name would obviously result in increased harassment.
This has been demonstrated by others who attempted to be "reasonable."

2. If you took the time to try to understand our point of view, you would
realize we spent ALOT of time trying to have a dialogue with the airport
manager, FAA, attended meetings with the airport board, etc..... This is
how I have come to understand the FAA Part 150 studies, aspects of the
FARs, etc. Plus, I flew a bit in a C-150 trainer years back before
deciding I didn't have sufficient time to devote to becoming proficient
enough to fly myself (and others) safely.

3. You, sir, are being presumptous when you say I am not being forced out
of my home. The racket on the weekends, especially, often starting at
5:15am!!!, has become worse and worse. When I see that damned idiot in
the Mooney fly by low and fast(or his buddy in the Bonanza) with the ear
piercing racket, it DOES drive us indoors.

4. These people are the turds in my punch. Why don't you pilots tell
them to cut the S__T???

In article
outaviation.com,
"Skylune" wrote:

1. Using my actual name would obviously result in increased harassment.
This has been demonstrated by others who attempted to be "reasonable."

I doubt that you have *ever* attempted to be reasonable!



2. If you took the time to try to understand our point of view, you would
realize we spent ALOT of time trying to have a dialogue with the airport
manager, FAA, attended meetings with the airport board, etc..... This is
how I have come to understand the FAA Part 150 studies, aspects of the
FARs, etc. Plus, I flew a bit in a C-150 trainer years back before
deciding I didn't have sufficient time to devote to becoming proficient
enough to fly myself (and others) safely.

So now you want to deny that opportunity to others, who may have more
innate skills/aptitude than you.



3. You, sir, are being presumptous when you say I am not being forced out
of my home. The racket on the weekends, especially, often starting at
5:15am!!!, has become worse and worse. When I see that damned idiot in
the Mooney fly by low and fast(or his buddy in the Bonanza) with the ear
piercing racket, it DOES drive us indoors.

How many times does that happen? What are they really doing?

4. These people are the turds in my punch. Why don't you pilots tell
them to cut the S__T???

We often do. Why don't you quit being such an ass?

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"Skylune" wrote in
lkaboutaviation.com:

Snipola

Mind telling which airport you're have the problem with? I don't
recall you ever mentioning it.

Brian
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Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?

And by the way, to compare me to the London Bombers demonstrates your
attitude and stupidity. My response: F___ YOU!

"Orval Fairbairn" wrote

Have you ever attempted reasonable discourse on the subject? IIRC, you
came to this newsgroup like the proverbial turd in the punchbowl,
looking to chastise everybody who flies.

Orval, killfile this turd. He isn't ever going to be worth it, nor is he a
threat. If he was, he wouldn't be talking about it here!
--
Jim in NC