Why bother about light aircraft noise.

Skylune wrote:

The local airport
has "voluntary" noise abatement procedures, which are routinely ignored by
certain pilots, and of course the FAA makes, at best, perfunctory efforts
to identify offending pilots.

Noise abatement programs are not the jurisdiction of the FAA. The FAA
does not design or enforce noise abatement programs. Those programs are
local.

True, although there is a noise complaint site for New England on the FAA
website, which I and others have determined is purely for show value.

Furthermore, the FAA funds the ridiculous Part 150 studies noise
compatibility studies, which (as you note) they are not responsible for
enforcing. In our case, NO ONE is responsible for monitoring or
enforcing the voluntary noise abatement procedures -- the airport manager
is either powerless or does not care. Therefore (and unfortunately),
litigation and political pressure are our only recourse to protect our
community. So that's what it has come to in my area. (Expect more
litigation too....)

As I said previously, I will not be driven from my home so that a few
cowboys can have a good time. We did not ask for this fight -- it was
forced upon us. And now, we will use every opportunity and newsbite (user
fees, requested subsidies from the city, water pollution, noise pollution,
traffic concerns, safety issues, etc.) to fight back and raise the pilots'
cost of doing business. Trust me, the local airport can already forget
about the funds they've requested from the city for improvements.

In article
outaviation.com,
"Skylune" wrote:

True, although there is a noise complaint site for New England on the FAA
website, which I and others have determined is purely for show value.

Furthermore, the FAA funds the ridiculous Part 150 studies noise
compatibility studies, which (as you note) they are not responsible for
enforcing. In our case, NO ONE is responsible for monitoring or
enforcing the voluntary noise abatement procedures -- the airport manager
is either powerless or does not care. Therefore (and unfortunately),
litigation and political pressure are our only recourse to protect our
community. So that's what it has come to in my area. (Expect more
litigation too....)

As I said previously, I will not be driven from my home so that a few
cowboys can have a good time. We did not ask for this fight -- it was
forced upon us. And now, we will use every opportunity and newsbite (user
fees, requested subsidies from the city, water pollution, noise pollution,
traffic concerns, safety issues, etc.) to fight back and raise the pilots'
cost of doing business. Trust me, the local airport can already forget
about the funds they've requested from the city for improvements.

Have you ever attempted reasonable discourse on the subject? IIRC, you
came to this newsgroup like the proverbial turd in the punchbowl,
looking to chastise everybody who flies.

Nobody is driving you from your home, but YOU are ready to drive us from
ours!

Most of us in this NG are not afraid to post our real names, rather than
using some fake handle, such as yourself. IMHO, you have little more
standing than the London terrorist bombers.

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"Orval Fairbairn" wrote in message
news
In article
outaviation.com,
"Skylune" wrote:

Orval,

Don't feed the troll!!

1. Using my actual name would obviously result in increased harassment.
This has been demonstrated by others who attempted to be "reasonable."

2. If you took the time to try to understand our point of view, you would
realize we spent ALOT of time trying to have a dialogue with the airport
manager, FAA, attended meetings with the airport board, etc..... This is
how I have come to understand the FAA Part 150 studies, aspects of the
FARs, etc. Plus, I flew a bit in a C-150 trainer years back before
deciding I didn't have sufficient time to devote to becoming proficient
enough to fly myself (and others) safely.

3. You, sir, are being presumptous when you say I am not being forced out
of my home. The racket on the weekends, especially, often starting at
5:15am!!!, has become worse and worse. When I see that damned idiot in
the Mooney fly by low and fast(or his buddy in the Bonanza) with the ear
piercing racket, it DOES drive us indoors.

4. These people are the turds in my punch. Why don't you pilots tell
them to cut the S__T???

In article
outaviation.com,
"Skylune" wrote:

1. Using my actual name would obviously result in increased harassment.
This has been demonstrated by others who attempted to be "reasonable."

I doubt that you have *ever* attempted to be reasonable!



2. If you took the time to try to understand our point of view, you would
realize we spent ALOT of time trying to have a dialogue with the airport
manager, FAA, attended meetings with the airport board, etc..... This is
how I have come to understand the FAA Part 150 studies, aspects of the
FARs, etc. Plus, I flew a bit in a C-150 trainer years back before
deciding I didn't have sufficient time to devote to becoming proficient
enough to fly myself (and others) safely.

So now you want to deny that opportunity to others, who may have more
innate skills/aptitude than you.



3. You, sir, are being presumptous when you say I am not being forced out
of my home. The racket on the weekends, especially, often starting at
5:15am!!!, has become worse and worse. When I see that damned idiot in
the Mooney fly by low and fast(or his buddy in the Bonanza) with the ear
piercing racket, it DOES drive us indoors.

How many times does that happen? What are they really doing?

4. These people are the turds in my punch. Why don't you pilots tell
them to cut the S__T???

We often do. Why don't you quit being such an ass?

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"Skylune" wrote in
lkaboutaviation.com:

Snipola

Mind telling which airport you're have the problem with? I don't
recall you ever mentioning it.

Brian
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Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?

And by the way, to compare me to the London Bombers demonstrates your
attitude and stupidity. My response: F___ YOU!

"Orval Fairbairn" wrote

Have you ever attempted reasonable discourse on the subject? IIRC, you
came to this newsgroup like the proverbial turd in the punchbowl,
looking to chastise everybody who flies.

Orval, killfile this turd. He isn't ever going to be worth it, nor is he a
threat. If he was, he wouldn't be talking about it here!
--
Jim in NC

Orville is an ass, to compare me to a terrorist.

You may not consider me a "threat," but your industry is the camel, and I
am another straw.... In fact, I am several straws, and as I have
mentioned, I (and others) have already killed our local airport's chance
of getting money from the city to fund CIPs by pointing out the airports
failure to implement the monitoring they agreed to in a very old Part 150
study. That, plus the fact that the city is having budget difficulties
and the airport authority is so stupid as to post in its own minutes that
it wants city funds so as not to "burden current users with the costs of
the CIP." This, at the same time the city is facing a budget crisis and
is eliminating athletic programs, etc. from the schools. I used the
authority's own words against them in my letter to the editor. Trust me,
Mr. Turd, the airport knows exactly who I am.

Go on with your superior attitude: You, sir, not I, are the fool, just
like the low-paid bumpkins who run the airport. When they had the recent
public meeting, the local flyboy in his dumb leather jacket came off as the
dumb "turd." Almost as dumb as some of you.....

And no, I will not name the airport. I must remain anynomous due to the
fact that I don't want my house buzzed, which is what happens when people
have the audacity to complain about irresponsible pilots.
People on this site have actually made these threat to other "trolls,"
such as myself. Reasonable dialogue/compromise with you people is
impossible. Therefore, I too will make life difficult politically,
legally, etc.