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Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article .com,
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Orval Fairbairn wrote:
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Again, what's YOUR evidence that the CPD has a park surplus?


Look at a map. Most of the lakeshore is occupied by parks.

Most? Portions occupy the space between LSD and the lake, and portions
are private residencies and industrial. What's your standard for
adequate public parks, for 3 million people?

JG

OK, buster, let's turn the tables: what do you think should be the
standard for adequate GA airports for a city of 3 million people?

I frankly haven't seen a movement by a large portion of the citizens
for more capacity. MDW's size is 1 square mile and seems to due just
fine.
ORD takes GA, but ya gotta pay the fees. Land is expensive, so there's
a limit for any new fields within city limits. Outside, Lansing, Gary,
DPA, Shaumburg, Palwaukee, and Waukegan serve the region fine.


I guess that those places would be good places for parks, no?

In general, post WW-2 suburbs included ample park space, but IMHO
Waukegan's
lakefront location could be attractive for residential development.

Lakefront
property is expensive, so all those parks must be worth a bundle to
developers, no?

As is central park in NYC, but try selling off and see what happens!

The Mission of the Chi. PD is:
"Come Out & Play!
Discover the pleasures of Chicago Park District treasures! The Chicago
Park District manages over 220 stunning facilities throughout the city
- most can play host to your next event.
For more information about the Chicago Park District's more than 7300
acres of parkland, 552 parks, 33 beaches, nine museums, two world-class
conservatories, 16 historic lagoons, 10 bird and wildlife gardens,
thousands of special events, sports and entertaining programs, please
continue on through the event section."

I've read that the 7300 acres (just over 1 acre per 500 residents)
is considered sub-standard by urban planning
standards. Some sections of the city ranging from 1 to 1.5 square miles
have
no parks at all.

JG


And ... the city has no GA-only airports and essentially only one that
handles any amount of GA --- for more than 3 million people! "jgrove"
begrudges Meigs to GA, while Chicago has all those parks.

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Orval,

And ... the city has no GA-only airports and essentially only one that
handles any amount of GA --- for more than 3 million people! "jgrove"
begrudges Meigs to GA, while Chicago has all those parks.


Do we see the NIMBY syndrome rear its ugly head yet?

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Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Orval Fairbairn wrote:


Again, what's YOUR evidence that the CPD has a park surplus?


Look at a map. Most of the lakeshore is occupied by parks.

Most? Portions occupy the space between LSD and the lake, and portions
are private residencies and industrial. What's your standard for
adequate public parks, for 3 million people?

JG

OK, buster, let's turn the tables: what do you think should be the
standard for adequate GA airports for a city of 3 million people?

I frankly haven't seen a movement by a large portion of the citizens
for more capacity. MDW's size is 1 square mile and seems to due just
fine.
ORD takes GA, but ya gotta pay the fees. Land is expensive, so there's
a limit for any new fields within city limits. Outside, Lansing, Gary,
DPA, Shaumburg, Palwaukee, and Waukegan serve the region fine.


I guess that those places would be good places for parks, no?

In general, post WW-2 suburbs included ample park space, but IMHO
Waukegan's
lakefront location could be attractive for residential development.

Lakefront
property is expensive, so all those parks must be worth a bundle to
developers, no?

As is central park in NYC, but try selling off and see what happens!

The Mission of the Chi. PD is:
"Come Out & Play!
Discover the pleasures of Chicago Park District treasures! The Chicago
Park District manages over 220 stunning facilities throughout the city
- most can play host to your next event.
For more information about the Chicago Park District's more than 7300
acres of parkland, 552 parks, 33 beaches, nine museums, two world-class
conservatories, 16 historic lagoons, 10 bird and wildlife gardens,
thousands of special events, sports and entertaining programs, please
continue on through the event section."

I've read that the 7300 acres (just over 1 acre per 500 residents)
is considered sub-standard by urban planning
standards. Some sections of the city ranging from 1 to 1.5 square miles
have
no parks at all.

JG


And ... the city has no GA-only airports and essentially only one that
handles any amount of GA --- for more than 3 million people! "jgrove"
begrudges Meigs to GA, while Chicago has all those parks.

Simple real estate economics, land for a GA AP (plus buffer areas) is
non
existant. The Burnham Plan called for additional islands in the lake.
Private
interests could create the landfill and build the AP, with appropriate
user fees.

The city air traveler is well served by the airline industry, with
99.99 percent
showing no interest in piloting. Like air-show announcer and UAL Cap.
Herb Hunter
said, "I only fly planes with kitchens and lavs".

JG

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The city air traveler is well served by the airline industry, with
99.99 percent
showing no interest in piloting. Like air-show announcer and UAL Cap.
Herb Hunter
said, "I only fly planes with kitchens and lavs".

JG



Yes, and of course he learned to fly on 747s

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The city air traveler is well served by the airline industry, with
99.99 percent
showing no interest in piloting. Like air-show announcer and UAL Cap.
Herb Hunter
said, "I only fly planes with kitchens and lavs".

JG



Yes, and of course he learned to fly on 747s

He never learned to fly, what he does is more akin to and in many ways
easier than driving a bus.

Arketip wrote:
wrote:



The city air traveler is well served by the airline industry, with
99.99 percent
showing no interest in piloting. Like air-show announcer and UAL Cap.
Herb Hunter
said, "I only fly planes with kitchens and lavs".

JG



Yes, and of course he learned to fly on 747s

Cap. Hunter mentioned training in the USAF and retired from reserve
service.

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Simple real estate economics, land for a GA AP (plus buffer areas) is
non existant.


That's not correct. Land for a fine GA airport exists in the form of
Northerly Island.



The city air traveler is well served by the airline industry, with
99.99 percent showing no interest in piloting.


That would make 30,000 that have shown an interest in piloting. How well
are they served?

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

That would make 30,000 that have shown an interest in piloting.Â*Â*HowÂ*well
are they served?

Beyond which, anyone that would be willing to pay to be flown via private
charter is forced to use the further, busier, and more congested airports.
How many dollars is that costing that city, as business executives etc.
choose to spend their money in more friendly towns?

Remember: to these people time is money. They may not care about Chicago's
vandalism, but they do care that Chicago is willing to cost them time. So
elsewhere they go.

And, of course, the dollars they're not spending in Chicago are also not
being spent again by the people in Chicago not receiving them. But that's
a multiplier, and the OP has already explained that this is too complex a
concept (ie. Econ 101) to follow.

- Andrew

Andrew Gideon wrote:
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

That would make 30,000 that have shown an interest in piloting. How well
are they served?

Beyond which, anyone that would be willing to pay to be flown via private
charter is forced to use the further, busier, and more congested airports.
How many dollars is that costing that city, as business executives etc.
choose to spend their money in more friendly towns?

Remember: to these people time is money. They may not care about Chicago's
vandalism, but they do care that Chicago is willing to cost them time. So
elsewhere they go.

And, of course, the dollars they're not spending in Chicago are also not
being spent again by the people in Chicago not receiving them. But that's
a multiplier, and the OP has already explained that this is too complex a
concept (ie. Econ 101) to follow.

Its too crowded already, cars making right turns are frequently blocked
by pedestrians.

"Travel to Chicago surpassed pre-9/11 levels for the first time last
year, with domestic leisure travelers leading the surge and
contributing to healthy weekend occupancy rates at downtown hotels.

A record 31.9 million visitors flocked to the city, a 7 percent
increase over 2003 and a slight rise above 2000 levels, according to
estimates the Chicago Convention and Tourism Bureau will release
Tuesday.

"This speaks volumes to the fact that things are improving," said
Christopher Bowers, chief executive of the bureau. "Our location helps
and our facilities--Navy Pier, McCormick Place, our hotels, our
cultural venues, our restaurants, Millennium Park--they help amplify
it."
.....
Domestic business travel grew by 5.5 percent over 2003, but at 13.2
million visitors it remained below the 2000 level of 13.9 million.

The convention bureau has not yet released 2004 data on attendance at
trade and consumer shows, which has been declining since 2000.

The bureau did release other data, however, showing that the number of
group meeting travelers has remained fairly constant since 2000.

And while the comeback in domestic business travel has been more muted
than for leisure travel, Chicago ranked as the No. 1 business travel
city last year, ahead of Orlando and New York, according to D.K.
Shifflet.

The city also saw a 20.6 percent increase in travelers from overseas,
to 935,000. This remains below the 2000 level of 1.35 million."

Stay away, we're full, NUMBER 1 in business travel--JG

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Its too crowded already, cars making right turns are frequently blocked
by pedestrians.


The parks aren't crowded.