Meigs now enjoyed by all!

In oups.com,
slavered, and posted this:
George Patterson wrote:
Judah wrote:

"Land is expensive." So let's take a wonderful historic public airport
that produced revenue and tear it down to install a public park so that
people can take their dogs to defacate..

Not cleaning up is a citable violation. The plan is for a "Nature
Park". IMHO,
Shelter Island in San Diego Bay is a good mixed-use project.



???? Shelter Island (note: not an island but more of a promontory) is
nothing but Hotels and private marinas....

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???? Shelter Island (note: not an island but more of a promontory) is
nothing but Hotels and private marinas....

IIRC, the eastt side of SI Drive is an open public park, the west side
has various private developments.

JG

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JG wrote:
I wrote:
???? Shelter Island (note: not an island but more of a promontory) is
nothing but Hotels and private marinas....

IIRC, the eastt side of SI Drive is an open public park, the west side
has various private developments.

1) The public park is only about 200 ft wide, and is then a rocky
outcrop into the bay. It is a mile long.
2) The park is truly useless as a park. A *good* park is one that
utilizes the area to provide recreational services to native area
dwellers; *they* are the ones that support the building and maintenance
of such parks. To tell the truth, I don't know many natives that
actually use the park, except for some of those that live in Pt.Loma to
use the boat launch. I was born and raised in SD, and have been to SI
once...to eat. It's a PITA to get to unless you are already there. The
park is really just a green grass and tree buffer from the bay to the
road for protection from tidal surges (the park is bay side...SI is
near the mouth of the bay). Harbor Island has one as well. There are
much better parks in the SD area than that. (Mission Bay Park, Torrey
Pines, Chula Vista's JStreet, Mission Beach [Belmont Roller Coaster],
Ocean Beach, Carlsbad State Beach, Coronado State Beach [bay and ocean
sides], etc etc....)

Like I said, Shelter Island is nothing really but hotels and private
marinas (with an odd restaurant or two thrown in for good measure).

P.S. If you wanted to give a "good" example of a multi-use area in San
Diego, I would have chosen the East Village area. There is:
Seaport Village (businesses and Public Bayside Park)
HighRise Condos
Convention Center
(new) Petco Park
Gaslamp Quarter (ahhh, I miss the Old Spaghetti Factory)
etc.

Humphrey's, ahem, music venue, looks busy this year:

07/21/05 Bruce Hornsby

Fri 07/22/05 Sinbad

Sat 07/23/05 Renee Austin

Sun 07/24/05 Poco

Wed 07/27/05 Dead Can Dance

Fri 07/29/05 Linda Eder

Sun 07/31/05 The B-52's

Mon 08/01/05 Jesse Winchester
Mon 08/01/05 Marc Cohn
Mon 08/01/05 Suzanne Vega

Tue 08/02/05 Chaka Khan

Wed 08/03/05 "B.B. King Blues Festival 2005"
Wed 08/03/05 Joe Bonamassa
Wed 08/03/05 Kenny Wayne Shepherd

Thu 08/04/05 Jacqui Naylor
Thu 08/04/05 Michael McDonald

Fri 08/05/05 Lonestar

Sun 08/07/05 Air Supply

Wed 08/10/05 The Temptations

Thu 08/11/05 John Hiatt
Thu 08/11/05 Shawn Colvin

Fri 08/12/05 Dana Carvey

Sat 08/13/05 The Farmers

Sun 08/14/05 Cecilio & Kapono

Mon 08/15/05 Cowboy Junkies
Mon 08/15/05 Dar Williams

Tue 08/16/05 Bobby McFerrin
Tue 08/16/05 Chick Corea

Wed 08/17/05 Judy Collins
Wed 08/17/05 Richie Havens

Thu 08/18/05 John Legend
Thu 08/18/05 Lyfe Jennings

Fri 08/19/05 "Dave Koz & Friends"
Fri 08/19/05 Jeffrey Osborne
Fri 08/19/05 Marc Antoine
Fri 08/19/05 Praful

Mon 08/22/05 Al Jarreau
Mon 08/22/05 Cassandra Wilson
Mon 08/22/05 The Rippingtons feat. Russ Freeman

Tue 08/23/05 Trio! Stanley Clarke, Bela Fleck & Jean-Luc Ponty

Thu 08/25/05 America
Thu 08/25/05 Pure Prairie League

Fri 08/26/05 Big Bad Voodoo Daddy

Sun 08/28/05 The Doobie Brothers

Mon 08/29/05 Johnny Clegg Featuring Juluka & Savuka

In article .com,
wrote:

Humphrey's, ahem, music venue, looks busy this year:


Who cares? You forgot Johnny Pineapple and his band of fruits.

You STILL haven't answered the question of why did it HAVE to be
Northerly Island? Why not any other of the many parks in Chicago?

The lease expired on NI and its owned by the taxpayers of the PARK
District.
Concert revenues are being used to develop the park.

The executives of Charter One Bank support this with their sponsorship.

"Resting between the horizon of Lake Michigan and the magnificent
Chicago Skyline, Charter One Pavilion is located in the heart of
Chicago's Museum Campus. The stunning surroundings make this a perfect
place to spend a summer night, while
enjoying live music from a variety of performers. Events range from
concerts to family matinee events making Charter One Pavilion a great
new destination for everyone"

History moves on: buggy whips, US manufacturing jobs, Meigs....--JG

In article . com,
wrote:

The lease expired on NI and its owned by the taxpayers of the PARK
District.
Concert revenues are being used to develop the park.

The executives of Charter One Bank support this with their sponsorship.

"Resting between the horizon of Lake Michigan and the magnificent
Chicago Skyline, Charter One Pavilion is located in the heart of
Chicago's Museum Campus. The stunning surroundings make this a perfect
place to spend a summer night, while
enjoying live music from a variety of performers. Events range from
concerts to family matinee events making Charter One Pavilion a great
new destination for everyone"

History moves on: buggy whips, US manufacturing jobs, Meigs....--JG


Then that is a good reason to boycott Charter One Bank!

As everyone knows, the Daley Machine controls the Park District (and
everything else in Chicago), so the "lease" was really with the city,
not the puppet Park Disrtict.

You STILL haven't addressed the question of "Why Northerly Island, when
Chicago has so many other, better parks?"

What does this have to do with anything? Humphrey's is a *PRIVATE*
(*NOT* funded by public money. *NOT* on public property. Isn't that
what this is about?) concert venue that seats 1350 people. Tickets for
shows are $45+. If you want dinner, add $52 per ticket. If you want
to park near the venue, add $6. But it's moot. That property has a
restaurant and hotel as well, which are the main attractions.

Doug Semler wrote:
What does this have to do with anything? Humphrey's is a *PRIVATE*
(*NOT* funded by public money. *NOT* on public property. Isn't that
what this is about?) concert venue that seats 1350 people. Tickets for
shows are $45+. If you want dinner, add $52 per ticket. If you want
to park near the venue, add $6. But it's moot. That property has a
restaurant and hotel as well, which are the main attractions.

IIRC, SI was built by the SD port district, using harbor dredgings.
I recall seeing signs posted by the port district in the park.

JG

Granted, the property is public, leased to a private enterprise.
Actually, SI was mainly "built up" (it was already a natural shoal) by
the dredging ops of the Navy during WWII (to allow SD Bay to take in
carriers. The 1950's saw expansion of this dredging to bring the
island 7 ft above mean high tide.

But what does this have to do with the price of tea in China? The
original thread was about how "Meigs now enjoyed by all." You
parallelled the gov't 'rezoning' Meigs as a concert venue with SI. SI
is not a really good parallel...The land is leased by the port
authority to various hotels, eateries, and private marinas. What makes
you think that (aside from rent and use taxes) that San Diego sees any
money from what happens at a concert venue? What the leasees do with
the land is the lesee's business (subject to the lease
restrictions/zoning/etc, of course). The only monies that the Port
district of San Diego receives from the activities on the island a
Lease (OK, I admit, there's probably some good money on prime
property made here. However, with the City Attorney looking into the
terms of the more than 600 leases, I would not be surprised if there
weren't some bad dealings here....)
Sales Tax revenues (IIRC 7.25% in city of SD)
TOT revenues (10.5% in city of SD) (This is probably why there are
mostly hotels on the island)
I don't know if there is any tax on moorings in the various marinas.

San Diego does not see one penny (aside from sales tax and possibly
permit fees...which actually could be waived as one of the terms of the
lease!) of revenue from the concerts in a private venue like Humprhy's.
That'd be like saying that the City of LA started realizing money from
the concerts put on at the House of Blues.