"Refusing to Handle You"

On 16 Jul 2005 15:08:22 -0700, Mike Granby wrote:

southbound from the HGR VOR, when the Washington Center controller
calls me and says "Err, 8096J, Potomac Approach is refusing to handle
you, say intentions."

Mike,

You are PIC. I would have declared an emergency and squawked 7700.

Go to http://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/report_sets_nf.htm and download the .pdf
file weather encounters. Happens more frequently then I ever expected.

Allen

"A Lieberman" wrote in message
.. .

You are PIC. I would have declared an emergency and squawked 7700.


What would the emergency be?

On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 00:28:20 GMT, Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

"A Lieberman" wrote in message
.. .

You are PIC. I would have declared an emergency and squawked 7700.


What would the emergency be?

Putting me into a heading that weather may compromise my safety. I am
basing this on Mikes original post.

He had a storm scope in which he was able to somewhat verify the weather
improved. I don't have this.

Allen

"A Lieberman" wrote in message
...

Putting me into a heading that weather may compromise my safety. I am
basing this on Mikes original post.


Denying you your desired route does not require you to fly into any weather.

On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 01:59:10 GMT, Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

"A Lieberman" wrote in message
...

Putting me into a heading that weather may compromise my safety. I am
basing this on Mikes original post.


Denying you your desired route does not require you to fly into any weather.

If the weather was behind you like Mike described, and you can't proceed
forward, that in my opinion would be an emergency. He couldn't go further
on, and had to retrace his steps which would put have put him into bad
weather. His words we

So now, here I am, in the air with two small kids
on board, and being turned back towards what was, a while back at
least, some nasty weather.

I am making a lot of assumptions, since Mike was the one there and I was
not, so I don't know any other alternatives he had.

Again, if the weather was behind him and he couldn't proceed further on,
being turned back into nasty weather (his words, not mine) can be
considered an emergency.

Allen

Well, to be fair, my "outs" would have been to either hold at HGR until
the storms fizzled out, or to land back at KHGR and wait it out on the
ground. So, no, I wasn't really in an emergency, just in an awkward
position, especially without access to real-time weather in the
cockpit. Plan B would have been to call flight service from the hold
and see what their radar was showing. What puzzled me was why I got the
clearance in the first place if it wasn't going to be honored. Of
course, in a few weeks, when the GPSMAP-396 arrives, none of this will
be an issue anymore...

"A Lieberman" wrote in message
.. .

If the weather was behind you like Mike described, and you can't proceed
forward, that in my opinion would be an emergency. He couldn't go further
on, and had to retrace his steps which would put have put him into bad
weather.


After being told he couldn't go through Potomac approach he asked for a hold
at HGR VOR to consider hip options. If holding at HGR keeps him clear of
the nasty weather then a landing at Hagerstown Regional should also keep him
clear of it.



Again, if the weather was behind him and he couldn't proceed further on,
being turned back into nasty weather (his words, not mine) can be
considered an emergency.


Why would those be the only options?

A Lieberman wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 01:59:10 GMT, Steven P. McNicoll wrote:


"A Lieberman" wrote in message
. ..

Putting me into a heading that weather may compromise my safety. I am
basing this on Mikes original post.


Denying you your desired route does not require you to fly into any weather.


If the weather was behind you like Mike described, and you can't proceed
forward, that in my opinion would be an emergency. He couldn't go further
on, and had to retrace his steps which would put have put him into bad
weather. His words we


So now, here I am, in the air with two small kids
on board, and being turned back towards what was, a while back at
least, some nasty weather.


I am making a lot of assumptions, since Mike was the one there and I was
not, so I don't know any other alternatives he had.

Again, if the weather was behind him and he couldn't proceed further on,
being turned back into nasty weather (his words, not mine) can be
considered an emergency.

Allen

I agree. The controller took the chance that he might have to explain his
actions later. The pilot can take the chance that he might have to explain
HIS actions later (declaring the emergency). Both explainations can be
delivered in a nice dry building.

Scott Moore wrote:
I agree. The controller took the chance that he might have to explain his
actions later. The pilot can take the chance that he might have to explain
HIS actions later (declaring the emergency). Both explainations can be
delivered in a nice dry building.

The pilot was already holding at the IAF for an approach to an airport
he could have landed at. I would love to hear the explanation of how
that turns into an emergency which forces him to proceed to his
original destination along a route he had been told was no longer
available to him.

Damned inconvenient and annoying, yes. But damned inconvenient and
annoying does not an emergency make.

"A Lieberman" wrote in message

You are PIC. I would have declared an emergency and squawked 7700.

No emergency declaration. "Unable reroute" is all that is necessary.



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Richard Kaplan

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