"Refusing to Handle You"

"Jose" wrote in message
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No, one property of the route WANTED by Potomac approach is that it not go
through there. Who's wagging the what?


Well, since Potomac approach IS going to get what they WANT, it follows that
what is NEEDED is a route that does not go through Potomac approach.



Whether they are fixed or not is not information readily available to the
pilot (there are plenty of examples of controller boundaries that are not
fixed).


Cite them.



And the pilot =does= need to know what the boundaries are in
order to make an intellegent decision as to whether to go around it or do
something else.


Why doesn't he ask?

Whether they are fixed or not is not information readily available to the
pilot (there are plenty of examples of controller boundaries that are not
fixed).
Cite them.

The boundaries between what controllers handle what flight on what
frequencies for example, which depends on LOA and the winds. The
internal boundaries of airspace that is sometimes approach and sometiems
center. And if I'm citing them incorrectly, I know some stuff like that
has been discussed here, and I bet you remember what it really is and
could fill me in. It's one of the reasons that these boundaries are not
shown on charts - they keep changing, even as to altitudes.

If I were a controller, I'd know what they are. I'm just a pilot, so I
dial the frequencies I'm handed off to, and everyone's happy.

And the pilot =does= need to know what the boundaries are in
order to make an intellegent decision as to whether to go around it or do
something else.
Why doesn't he ask?

I suppose if it were me, I would ask. But it would take me a moment or
two to realize that this is what they are expecting.

I guess I'm just too used to getting reroutes I can accept or reject,
rather than "can't go there, try again".

Jose
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Well, since Potomac approach IS going to get what they WANT, it follows that
what is NEEDED is a route that does not go through Potomac approach.

.... and Potomac should not get what they WANT... it's the pilot that
should get what they want. That's what approach is for. Approach
should get what they NEED in order to give the pilot what he WANTS.

"Refusing" to accept you is different from "IS UNABLE" to accept you.
And that is where my dander got caught.

Jose
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