"Refusing to Handle You"

"Richard Kaplan" wrote in message
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Sure you get re-routes all the time. However, you are under no obligation
to accept them if you have good reason.

In this case I would have declined the re-route and stood my ground ---
end of story.


Based on what "good reason"?



I have encountered similar situations flying to Long Island where I have
been assigned overwater re-routes -- no matter how unhappy or insistent
ATC may be I will not accept an overwate route nor am I required to do so.
The same logic applies here. There can be nor would there be any adverse
consequences for the pilot to exert PIC authority in the interest of
flight safety.


Whose flight safety? Do you think Potomac approach is denying the
thruflight on a whim? Odds are it's because there's a significant amount of
arrival or departure traffic going through that area. What do you expect
ATC to do with them?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote

Based on what "good reason"?

Convective activity

thruflight on a whim? Odds are it's because there's a significant amount
of arrival or departure traffic going through that area. What do you
expect ATC to do with them?

Vector planes around. Put some planes in a holding pattern. Vector me
around. Put me in a holding pattern until room becomes available. Take you
pick.

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Richard Kaplan

www.flyimc.com

"Richard Kaplan" wrote in message
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Convective activity


Was there something in the OP that implied convective activity on all but
the HGR..MRB..EMI..THV route?



Vector planes around. Put some planes in a holding pattern.


What gives you operational priority over them?



Vector me
around. Put me in a holding pattern until room becomes available. Take
you pick.


Okay. Then say that when the controller asks your intentions. He can
certainly find a path clear of approach and the weather. Don't waste time
telling him "unable reroute" right after he tells you a reroute is in your
near future.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message

Okay. Then say that when the controller asks your intentions.

Again... "Intentions" are obvious. ATC should offer specific options.

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Richard Kaplan

www.flyimc.com

"Richard Kaplan" wrote in message
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Again... "Intentions" are obvious. ATC should offer specific options.


Again. The options are obvious, or they should be to any experienced pilot.
Tell ATC which of the obvious options you'd like. ATC is there to help you,
try working with them instead of against them.

"Steven P. McNicoll" writes:
"Richard Kaplan" wrote

Again... "Intentions" are obvious. ATC should offer specific options.

Again. The options are obvious, or they should be to any experienced pilot.
Tell ATC which of the obvious options you'd like. ATC is there to help you,
try working with them instead of against them.

It's my understanding that the usual procedure in a case
such as this is for the controller to issue a reroute based
on the pilot's destintation, present location, and traffic
and weather conditions. Giving the pilot a "say intentions"
sounds a lot like "you're on your own buddy!". That doesn't
sound at all helpful.

Something I haven't seen discussed is how long the
pilot has to give ATC some suggestions in this case.
While contemplating alternative plans and awaiting a
revised clearance, the pilot is to continue on his
existing clearance. What happens if that takes him
into the control area that doesn't want him?