Denied medical / Alcohol & Drug Rehab

"Peter R." wrote in message
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Gig 601XL Builder wr.giacona@coxDOTnet wrote:

"Happy Dog" wrote in message
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The latest on this is that this student has been told they must wait two
years, attend AA or other counselling, have liver function regularly
tested and regularly be tested for any use of drugs or alcohol. That
sounds unreasonable to me. I understand that they're going to appeal.


Why would that seem unreasonable?

When one completes rehab, isn't one supposed to be clean?

--
Peter

The two year recidivism rate for those undergoing drug & alcohol treatment
is around 70%.

"Gig 601XL Builder" wr
When one completes rehab, isn't one supposed to be clean?

--
Peter

The two year recidivism rate for those undergoing drug & alcohol treatment
is around 70%.

So wouldn't five years be reasonable then? Just to be safe? How about ten?

moo

"Happy Dog" wrote in message
.. .
"Gig 601XL Builder" wr
When one completes rehab, isn't one supposed to be clean?

--
Peter

The two year recidivism rate for those undergoing drug & alcohol
treatment is around 70%.

So wouldn't five years be reasonable then? Just to be safe? How about
ten?


The number I gave you was for 2 year recidivism (The time period in
question). The 70% is made up of those who walked out of rehab and had a
drink within the hour, those that did so on day 729 and everyone in between.

Since you seem to have trouble understanding this that means that 7 out of
every 10 people who go through rehab will start using within the first 2
years after they get out.

While I don't have the 2+ recidivism rate info handy I'd bet it is much
lower but you are right five or ten would be lower still.

"Gig 601XL Builder" wr.giacona@coxDOTnet
So wouldn't five years be reasonable then? Just to be safe? How about
ten?


The number I gave you was for 2 year recidivism (The time period in
question). The 70% is made up of those who walked out of rehab and had a
drink within the hour, those that did so on day 729 and everyone in
between.

How about those who became addicted to prescribed painkillers?

In any case, I'm trying to find out what happens in the real world. I
expect to find that it's a, mostly, BS rubber stamp process. But, I'll
happily admit I'm wrong if I find otherwise. And, again, this sort of
policy would discourage addicts from seeking treatment, no? And, are there
any stats on which an opinion could be formed WRT risk of flying while
intoxicated? AFAIK, drugs and alcohol rarely are a factor in accidents. Of
those where they are, how many involved people who had been through rehab in
the prior two years?

moo

"Happy Dog" wrote in message
.. .
"Gig 601XL Builder" wr.giacona@coxDOTnet
So wouldn't five years be reasonable then? Just to be safe? How about
ten?


The number I gave you was for 2 year recidivism (The time period in
question). The 70% is made up of those who walked out of rehab and had a
drink within the hour, those that did so on day 729 and everyone in
between.

How about those who became addicted to prescribed painkillers?

In any case, I'm trying to find out what happens in the real world. I
expect to find that it's a, mostly, BS rubber stamp process. But, I'll
happily admit I'm wrong if I find otherwise. And, again, this sort of
policy would discourage addicts from seeking treatment, no? And, are
there any stats on which an opinion could be formed WRT risk of flying
while intoxicated? AFAIK, drugs and alcohol rarely are a factor in
accidents. Of those where they are, how many involved people who had been
through rehab in the prior two years?

moo


Pain killers, Vodka it really doesn't matter though alchohol recidivism is
one of the worst. You seem to have this idea that everything the FAA does is
"BS rubber stamp process" but there is a reason for that. A. If they looked
at every single issue on its' own they would get to an individual case 10 to
15 years after the persons whose case it was died of old age. B. There is
data out there and studing ststistics is one thing the government is very
good at.

I certainly hope you aren't saying that you don't think drug or alcohol
would not impair a persons ability to fly. If you are there will be a
*plonk* coming very soon.

I did a quick search and came up with a couple of items. One stragly enough
is from the Redwood City police department.

http://www.redwoodcity.org/police/drug-info.html

It doesn't have any cite to go with the statement so I take it with a HUGE
grain of salt but it states that 76% of private aircraft accidents are
alcohol related.

I'm sure more ligitimate data is out there I just don't have time right now
to look for it.

"Gig 601XL Builder" wr.giacona@coxDOTnet
In any case, I'm trying to find out what happens in the real world. I
expect to find that it's a, mostly, BS rubber stamp process. But, I'll
happily admit I'm wrong if I find otherwise. And, again, this sort of
policy would discourage addicts from seeking treatment, no? And, are
there any stats on which an opinion could be formed WRT risk of flying
while intoxicated? AFAIK, drugs and alcohol rarely are a factor in
accidents. Of those where they are, how many involved people who had
been through rehab in the prior two years?

Pain killers, Vodka it really doesn't matter though alchohol recidivism is
one of the worst. You seem to have this idea that everything the FAA does
is "BS rubber stamp process" but there is a reason for that. A. If they
looked at every single issue on its' own they would get to an individual
case 10 to 15 years after the persons whose case it was died of old age.
B. There is data out there and studing ststistics is one thing the
government is very good at.

And I haven't seen any of it. But, my understanding is that alcohol or
drugs are rarely an issue in aviation accidents. I'm curious as to what
percentage of thoise where they are involve people who've been through
rehab.

I certainly hope you aren't saying that you don't think drug or alcohol
would not impair a persons ability to fly. If you are there will be a
*plonk* coming very soon.

Of course not. I meant risk of a former addict using their vice of choice
and flying.

I did a quick search and came up with a couple of items. One stragly
enough is from the Redwood City police department.

http://www.redwoodcity.org/police/drug-info.html

It doesn't have any cite to go with the statement so I take it with a HUGE
grain of salt but it states that 76% of private aircraft accidents are
alcohol related.

Your credibility just took a major hit. *THINK*

moo

"Happy Dog" wrote in message
.. .
"Gig 601XL Builder" wr.giacona@coxDOTnet
In any case, I'm trying to find out what happens in the real world. I
expect to find that it's a, mostly, BS rubber stamp process. But, I'll
happily admit I'm wrong if I find otherwise. And, again, this sort of
policy would discourage addicts from seeking treatment, no? And, are
there any stats on which an opinion could be formed WRT risk of flying
while intoxicated? AFAIK, drugs and alcohol rarely are a factor in
accidents. Of those where they are, how many involved people who had
been through rehab in the prior two years?

Pain killers, Vodka it really doesn't matter though alchohol recidivism
is one of the worst. You seem to have this idea that everything the FAA
does is "BS rubber stamp process" but there is a reason for that. A. If
they looked at every single issue on its' own they would get to an
individual case 10 to 15 years after the persons whose case it was died
of old age. B. There is data out there and studing ststistics is one
thing the government is very good at.

And I haven't seen any of it. But, my understanding is that alcohol or
drugs are rarely an issue in aviation accidents. I'm curious as to what
percentage of thoise where they are involve people who've been through
rehab.

I certainly hope you aren't saying that you don't think drug or alcohol
would not impair a persons ability to fly. If you are there will be a
*plonk* coming very soon.

Of course not. I meant risk of a former addict using their vice of choice
and flying.

I did a quick search and came up with a couple of items. One stragly
enough is from the Redwood City police department.

http://www.redwoodcity.org/police/drug-info.html

It doesn't have any cite to go with the statement so I take it with a
HUGE grain of salt but it states that 76% of private aircraft accidents
are alcohol related.

Your credibility just took a major hit. *THINK*

Well since you dared me...

Here's your report straight from the Feds.

http://www.cami.jccbi.gov/aam-400A/A...LTXT/00_21.pdf

See, they study this ****.

Between 1994-1998 765 FATAL accidents involving drugs or drink.

but it states that 76% of private aircraft accidents are
alcohol related.

I agree. In most cases, there was an impact with the ground, which only
goes to show the pilot wasn't high enough.

Jose
--
Nothing takes longer than a shortcut.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Look at the relapse rate for meth addicts!!! My sister is a meth freak so is
my mother even when they have been clean for 6 months I would not trust them
behind the wheel of a car, nor would I take them in an airplane that they
had access to the controls


"Gig 601XL Builder" wr.giacona@coxDOTnet wrote in message
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"Happy Dog" wrote in message
.. .
"Gig 601XL Builder" wr.giacona@coxDOTnet
So wouldn't five years be reasonable then? Just to be safe? How
about
ten?


The number I gave you was for 2 year recidivism (The time period in
question). The 70% is made up of those who walked out of rehab and had
a
drink within the hour, those that did so on day 729 and everyone in
between.

How about those who became addicted to prescribed painkillers?

In any case, I'm trying to find out what happens in the real world. I
expect to find that it's a, mostly, BS rubber stamp process. But, I'll
happily admit I'm wrong if I find otherwise. And, again, this sort of
policy would discourage addicts from seeking treatment, no? And, are
there any stats on which an opinion could be formed WRT risk of flying
while intoxicated? AFAIK, drugs and alcohol rarely are a factor in
accidents. Of those where they are, how many involved people who had
been
through rehab in the prior two years?

moo


Pain killers, Vodka it really doesn't matter though alchohol recidivism is
one of the worst. You seem to have this idea that everything the FAA does
is
"BS rubber stamp process" but there is a reason for that. A. If they
looked
at every single issue on its' own they would get to an individual case 10
to
15 years after the persons whose case it was died of old age. B. There is
data out there and studing ststistics is one thing the government is very
good at.

I certainly hope you aren't saying that you don't think drug or alcohol
would not impair a persons ability to fly. If you are there will be a
*plonk* coming very soon.

I did a quick search and came up with a couple of items. One stragly
enough
is from the Redwood City police department.

http://www.redwoodcity.org/police/drug-info.html

It doesn't have any cite to go with the statement so I take it with a HUGE
grain of salt but it states that 76% of private aircraft accidents are
alcohol related.

I'm sure more ligitimate data is out there I just don't have time right
now
to look for it.