"Refusing to Handle You"

Jose wrote:
"Say intentions" should not be something pilots fear hearing.

It's not. But "we've revoked your clearance. Say intentions." is.

"We've revoked your clearance" boils down to a re-route. Surely
you're not saying that you fear getting a re-route? It happens all
the time.

"We've revoked your clearance, say intentions" is just a re-route plus
an offer to let you decide how you would like to be re-routed. Why
should that be something to fear?

It's not. But "we've revoked your clearance. Say intentions." is.

"We've revoked your clearance" boils down to a re-route.

No, it boils down to "guess the reroute or go home." It only looks like
an offer to let me decide how I would like to be rerouted - to
=actually= decide I'd have to know what Potomac's airspace looks like.
I don't, and should not be expected to.

It's probably just a misunderstanding based on the controllers not being
pilots, and the pilots not being controllers (and therefore not knowing
what can and cannot be taken for granted), but in this context "say
intentions" sounds like "what are you going to do about it?", which
makes it seem like the controller is going to be non-helpful when the
pilot is depending on the cooperation of the controller.

Jose
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"Jose" wrote in message
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No, it boils down to "guess the reroute or go home." It only looks like
an offer to let me decide how I would like to be rerouted - to =actually=
decide I'd have to know what Potomac's airspace looks like. I don't, and
should not be expected to.


It's not that way at all.

"Jose" wrote in message
...
It's not. But "we've revoked your clearance. Say intentions." is.

"We've revoked your clearance" boils down to a re-route.

No, it boils down to "guess the reroute or go home." It only looks like
an offer to let me decide how I would like to be rerouted - to =actually=
decide I'd have to know what Potomac's airspace looks like. I don't, and
should not be expected to.

It's probably just a misunderstanding based on the controllers not being
pilots, and the pilots not being controllers (and therefore not knowing
what can and cannot be taken for granted), but in this context "say
intentions" sounds like "what are you going to do about it?", which makes
it seem like the controller is going to be non-helpful when the pilot is
depending on the cooperation of the controller.

Jose

I don't read this situation as "guess the reroute or go home." The Center
Controller is going to be issuing Mike ATC instructions to keep him out of
Potomac Approach, because Potomac has unabled an IFR handoff. The Center
guy is helpfully fishing for Mike's input. He may not have used the best
phrasing, but that's what it boils down to. No way in hell the Center
controller is going to let Mike procede on course. He can't. If Mike
doesn't do anything more at all, the Center is going to at least vector him
to stay out of the Tracon.

Chip, ZTL