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![]() Snowbird wrote: Now that I think about it some more, I think the issue is that some VFR towers (which won't tell you "radar contact") can relay radar vectors from the radar approach control which serves them. But sitting on the ground, I have no way of knowing whether Whatzits Approach meets the criteria (whatever they are) to provide radar vectors to Podunk Tower. If I hear "fly heading XXX, intercept the ABC 188 degree radial" is that a vector or a heading? Vectors and headings are the same. I think the rule has to be, if there's something to hit and departure instructions don't include the obstacle DP, Ask. Can't ever go wrong by asking. |
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To add some controller input for the position that a heading is not a
vector, here is a post from a controller in another online aviation forum: -----------------snip------------------------------- From a radar controllers' perspective, there is no such thing as a radar vector when in a non radar environemnt, this mean if you don't hear radar contact first, then any assigned heading prior to those words does not constitute a vector. A radar vector is course guidance predicated on radar. Simply by launching from the surface on a assigned heading must not be construed as a radar vector. We assign an initial heading to fly from all our towered fields, and that is all they are, until you hear radar contact and then receive a subsequent heading. Then and only then is a radar vector in play. .... my concern here is that many pilots assume that when a heading is assigned off the ground by a tower controller where there is a surface area, that it is automatically controller assuming terrain and obstacle clearance, it is not. The pilot assumes this responsibility until reaching a minimum IFR altitude or the controller provides a subsequent heading once airborne whether at or below the Minimum IFR altitude. The rationale for this is that the 40:1 is reviewed or there is a ODP for the pilot to fly at his/her perogotive. -----------------snip------------------------------- |
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