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![]() Greg Esres wrote: I can buy the idea of a relayed vector, but the person who provided the vector still must see you on radar. Yes, they have to be able to see you by a certain point after departure to be allowed to issue vectors in the takeoff clearance. When the aircraft is sitting on the ground, approach control can't see it and therefore can't vector it. Well we can see aircraft on the ground, though that has nothing to do with anything. Consider that if you take off with the heading and start to wander into some obstacle, tower won't be able to do anything about it (because they won't know) and neither will the approach control until they get you on radar, which will happen at various altitudes, depending on where you're departing from. In order to get a vector off the ground you have to be seen by the radar facility within a half mile of the airport. So you can't wander into anything. |
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![]() "Newps" wrote in message news:UTcpb.88415$e01.290862@attbi_s02... In order to get a vector off the ground you have to be seen by the radar facility within a half mile of the airport. So you can't wander into anything. Is "proceed on course, contact departure" a vector? |
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![]() Robert Henry wrote: "Newps" wrote in message news:UTcpb.88415$e01.290862@attbi_s02... In order to get a vector off the ground you have to be seen by the radar facility within a half mile of the airport. So you can't wander into anything. Is "proceed on course, contact departure" a vector? No. That's a VFR tower instruction. A vector is an actual heading to fly. |
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![]() "Newps" wrote in message news:0Ydpb.87662$Tr4.226083@attbi_s03... Is "proceed on course, contact departure" a vector? No. That's a VFR tower instruction. A vector is an actual heading to fly. And if that course takes you right into a layer of granite, oh well. |
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![]() "Newps" wrote in message news:0Ydpb.87662$Tr4.226083@attbi_s03... Robert Henry wrote: "Newps" wrote in message news:UTcpb.88415$e01.290862@attbi_s02... In order to get a vector off the ground you have to be seen by the radar facility within a half mile of the airport. So you can't wander into anything. Is "proceed on course, contact departure" a vector? No. That's a VFR tower instruction. A vector is an actual heading to fly. Huh!!! And all this time I thought a heading was a "heading", and a heading and altitude instruction was a "vector". Tom "We have vectors, Victor!!". |
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![]() "Tom S." wrote in message ... Huh!!! And all this time I thought a heading was a "heading", and a heading and altitude instruction was a "vector". Tom "We have vectors, Victor!!". Is that ewe out there, Over? Chip, ZTL |
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![]() Tom S. wrote: Is "proceed on course, contact departure" a vector? No. That's a VFR tower instruction. A vector is an actual heading to fly. Huh!!! And all this time I thought a heading was a "heading", and a heading and altitude instruction was a "vector". Altitude has nothing to do with it. A haeding is a vector and vice versa. |
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![]() Newps wrote: In order to get a vector off the ground you have to be seen by the radar facility within a half mile of the airport. So you can't wander into anything. Which can happen at KMRY only if you'r flying an F-18. ;-) |
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