737 off runway, Pearson Toronto

"Peter R." wrote in message
...
What is interesting in the case of the KLM aircraft is that the pilot
first
stated PAN-PAN, then continued by saying "Low fuel emergency."

Wouldn't the inclusion of the word "emergency" be the same as a pilot
stating "I am declaring an emergency" and therefore be handled by ATC as
an
emergency?

Saying "pan-pan" already declares an emergency. There are two levels of
emergency--urgency (pan-pan) and distress (mayday). (AIM 6-1-2a)

Well....

I listened to the 3 networks here (Canada)

CBC, not bad, (They had a cam grew at the airport covering the
storm)

CTV, a little better.... more factual and reasonable..

Global... a joke..They REALLY need help... She couldn't even
get it straight between "Casualities " and "fatalities" ..

(sigh)

(Sorry, but it was really awful)

All in all, a mess, - but someone (many) did some things
right... Emerg crews apparently were at the plane in 50 secs... the
slides worked, and the crew had them launched...

NO fatals......!!!

14 or 24 minor injuries (depending on which network)

Everybody will get to go home..

Air France will need a new 340 however...

Dave


On Tue, 2 Aug 2005 18:04:08 -0500, "Rick"
wrote:

Greg Farris wrote in message ...
In article ,
says...


I don't have access to TV here, they might be saying something different
on
there.
The news on the website was saying there was lighting in the area, but
nothing about the plane getting struck. (I will check again)

Dave



Dave - Hello Dave - Wake up Dave!
I'm not interested in commenting on airline accidents in the early hours,
before at least the initial facts are in - but to comment disparagingly
on
what the news are or are not reporting, then to come back and say you don't
have TV?

Dave originally said "news agencies." Maybe he has access to this thing
called the internet.

- Rick

"Rick" wrote in message
...
Dave - Hello Dave - Wake up Dave!
I'm not interested in commenting on airline accidents in the early hours,
before at least the initial facts are in - but to comment disparagingly
on
what the news are or are not reporting, then to come back and say you
don't
have TV?

Dave originally said "news agencies." Maybe he has access to this thing
called the internet.

- Rick



Yea, like on msnbc. Get a load of what this passenger "lady" has to say.
Being alive and unhurt wasn't enough, maybe she expected a personal escort
to a plush RV with champagne & caviar?

The O2 masks never dropped? Maybe it's because the plane was on the ground?
Yea, lets add some O2 to the resulting fire!

Damn airline got her shoes muddy! Ohhhh, the humanity!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8801366/

Uggh!

Gary Drescher wrote:

Saying "pan-pan" already declares an emergency.

I don't see the above fact mentioned in the AIM chapter you referenced.
Does PAN-PAN declare an emergency in US airspace as far as ATC is
concerned?



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Peter
























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CW wrote:
CBC report no fatalities, 14 minor injuries.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/natio...ane050802.html

I loved this part from that link: "At mid-afternoon Tuesday, a
spokesperson with the Greater Toronto Airports Authority said lightning
was causing technical problems with the airport's lightning-detection
system."

Eh? ;-)

"Peter R." wrote in message
...
Gary Drescher wrote:

Saying "pan-pan" already declares an emergency.

I don't see the above fact mentioned in the AIM chapter you referenced.
Does PAN-PAN declare an emergency in US airspace as far as ATC is
concerned?

It was my understanding that a Pan gave you clear communications, by getting
all other calls on the freq. stopped. Close?
--
Jim in NC

"Peter R." wrote in message
...
Gary Drescher wrote:

Saying "pan-pan" already declares an emergency.
There are two levels of emergency--urgency (pan-pan)
and distress (mayday). (AIM 6-1-2a)

I don't see the above fact mentioned in the AIM chapter you referenced.

AIM 6-1-2a discusses distress and urgency conditions. The Pilot/Controller
Glossary defines "mayday" and "pan-pan" (respectively) as signaling those
conditions.

Does PAN-PAN declare an emergency in US airspace as far
as ATC is concerned?

Yes, "mayday" and "pan-pan" are recognized internationally, according to the
Pilot/Controller Glossary.

--Gary

"Peter R." wrote in

That seems to be cutting it really close. Does anyone know if company
rules
usually require more than the FAA mins?

Do company rules apply when a pilot declares an emergency?

? And, who declared an emergency?

moo

Skywise,

Luftanasa 737


Man, you need glasses or something. The spelling is "Lufthansa". And
the plane is an Air France Airbus. Please pay at least minimal
attention to the facts. Thank you.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Dave,

Reports are that it was struck by lighting AFTER it landed, and lost all
controls.


And who exactly would "report" that, right after the accident? Please
folks, get a grip.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)