Washington DC airspace closing for good?

Happy Dog wrote:

In the case of the DC ADIZ, I believe it was created to restrict the
number of targets/flights within its boundaries, so that unidentified
primary radar targets will be easier to spot. Perhaps 'congestion'
would have been a more accurate word than 'clutter.'

Where is your evidence that this is the reason behind the ADIZ?

During the 9/11 investigations, several security people stated that that was the
case. They wanted to reduce the number of radar targets in the area to something
manageable if they had to intercept. A fair amount of the hearingd were
broadcast on NPR last Spring.

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Happy Dog wrote:

In the case of the DC ADIZ, I believe it was created to restrict the
number of targets/flights within its boundaries, so that unidentified
primary radar targets will be easier to spot. Perhaps 'congestion'
would have been a more accurate word than 'clutter.'

Where is your evidence that this is the reason behind the ADIZ?

During the 9/11 investigations, several security people stated that that
was the case. They wanted to reduce the number of radar targets in the
area to something manageable if they had to intercept. A fair amount of
the hearingd were broadcast on NPR last Spring.

That's it, really? "Several security people stated"? You OK with that?

moo

Happy Dog wrote:
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During the 9/11 investigations, several security people stated that that
was the case. They wanted to reduce the number of radar targets in the
area to something manageable if they had to intercept. A fair amount of
the hearingd were broadcast on NPR last Spring.

That's it, really? "Several security people stated"? You OK with that?

Certainly. NPR didn't state "several security people stated", they played
recordings of the hearings and identified the speakers. In other words, I heard
some of the people responsible for getting the ADIZ set up state that the
purpose was to reduce the number of radar targets and make sure that there were
no unidentified primary radar echoes.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

"George Patterson"

During the 9/11 investigations, several security people stated that that
was the case. They wanted to reduce the number of radar targets in the
area to something manageable if they had to intercept. A fair amount of
the hearingd were broadcast on NPR last Spring.

That's it, really? "Several security people stated"? You OK with that?

Certainly. NPR didn't state "several security people stated", they played
recordings of the hearings and identified the speakers. In other words, I
heard some of the people responsible for getting the ADIZ set up state
that the purpose was to reduce the number of radar targets and make sure
that there were no unidentified primary radar echoes.

Other ways of accomplishing this have been suggested.

moo

Happy Dog wrote:
"George Patterson"

Certainly. NPR didn't state "several security people stated", they played
recordings of the hearings and identified the speakers. In other words, I
heard some of the people responsible for getting the ADIZ set up state
that the purpose was to reduce the number of radar targets and make sure
that there were no unidentified primary radar echoes.

Other ways of accomplishing this have been suggested.

That's as may be, but the fact is that *they* say that *they* did it for *this*
reason.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

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Happy Dog wrote:
"George Patterson"

Certainly. NPR didn't state "several security people stated", they played
recordings of the hearings and identified the speakers. In other words, I
heard some of the people responsible for getting the ADIZ set up state
that the purpose was to reduce the number of radar targets and make sure
that there were no unidentified primary radar echoes.

Other ways of accomplishing this have been suggested.

That's as may be, but the fact is that *they* say that *they* did it for
*this* reason.

They may have said it but it still doesn't make sense. That makes it less
than credible. Were these "security people" aviation experts?

moo

Happy Dog wrote:

They may have said it but it still doesn't make sense.

Of course it does. With a limited number of squawk codes, that limits the number
of aircraft that can be allowed in the area. With a requirement for flight
plans, that means that the authorities know exactly what aircraft are there. You
can keep out anything that you think is suspicious, and the military radars in
the area will alert you to anything that's not supposed to be there. In one
stroke, you eliminate all of the unknown radar targets, especially the ones down
around 1,100' squawking VFR. And if one does come along anyway, you can assume
it's hostile. From a security viewpoint, it's nearly perfect and the military
and Secret Service have been asking for something like it for at least a decade
(that info comes from the same hearings).

Were these "security people" aviation experts?

No. You are somehow under the impression that the ADIZ was set up for aviation
or by aviation experts? It was set up to protect the area *from* aviation. From
their viewpoint, we're lucky that anyone is allowed to fly there at all. These
are the same people that shut Reagan airport down completely. If they had their
way, it would still be closed -- opening it required tremendous pressure from
Congress.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.