Washington DC airspace closing for good?

If no "bad guys" are here, then I am sure we could all agree none of this other would be necessary at all.

"bad guys" != "non-citizens".

Jose
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I can come up with about 100 things to do in a C-150 that would shut this nation down.

How many can you think of that =require= a C-150?

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I can think of lots and lots, both requiring and not requiring the use of
any aircraft...all would pretty much shut the capital down. Dangers are most
definitely by more than just the air. And for the most part most of the bad
guys are non-citizens..but sad to say we have our own little "moles" just
like the Brits had in their recent attacks. IMHO we have not moved as fast
as we need to to get rid of the vermin.
9/11 was a very sucessful air attack, if the attack had been like the
OKC bombing, I would guess they would stop Uhaul trucks and such at the DC
limits. Just the way they think. Look at the useless bag checks on NYC
subways now, it's reason is so you "feel" safer, but it isn't doing anything
.. But New Yorkers are lining up letting the cops rummage through there
belongings, for what otherwise would be an illegal search. Go Figure huh!
Shoot for the "if our borders were secure then DC would be
secure",..that'll ruffle their feathers! Red tapers hate common sense!

Patrick
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I can come up with about 100 things to do in a C-150 that would shut this
nation down.

How many can you think of that =require= a C-150?

Jose
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On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 13:21:21 -0400, "W P Dixon"
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As for the won't meet the standards of the world ICAO for Class
B,....SO! We don't need anyones approval for something we consider to be in
our nations defense. Sometimes we have to make a rule for us, this would be
one of those cases.

Considering that international flights operated within the DC ADIZ,
foreign pilots may not be aware of your proposed new class of
airspace.

And yes Larry I realize what you are saying about the FAA and all with
the final say, and not Congress. That is the way they HOPE it goes. If
enough pressure from the right people,VOTERS, and in the right manner is
applied then Congress will in fact make the ruling change themselves.

Please post a draft of your letters to your congressmen.

W P Dixon wrote:
Jose,
I think you most definitely are missing something, a simple fact that
something will exist in the DC area if we like it or not. So why not
make it something we could be alittle bit happier with.

But your proposal for a super-B doesn't produce anything I would be happier
with. I used to be able to cut a good deal of time off trips south by cutting
under the class-B floor or (rarely) going over the top. I can't do that with the
ADIZ and wouldn't be able to do that with your proposal.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

Hmm,
George do you not have a transponder? That would most definitely be a
problem.But other than the "it's not needed" any idea? I doubt if I'll have
a transponder in my airplane either, so I'd more than likely be in that boat
as well. But if I really need to go across the airspace I can get a
transponder. I'd be willing to get a transponder to just have a Class B
situation. but what's the old saying, Ya can't make everybody happy! This
entire situation is one of those deals Wouldn't saying you can fly in it
with a transponder make you happier than them finally saying we are shutting
it down completely? NO FLY?

Patrick

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W P Dixon wrote:
Jose,
I think you most definitely are missing something, a simple fact that
something will exist in the DC area if we like it or not. So why not make
it something we could be alittle bit happier with.

But your proposal for a super-B doesn't produce anything I would be
happier with. I used to be able to cut a good deal of time off trips south
by cutting under the class-B floor or (rarely) going over the top. I can't
do that with the ADIZ and wouldn't be able to do that with your proposal.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

W P Dixon wrote:

George do you not have a transponder? That would most definitely be a
problem.

Somewhere something got lost in here. Yes, I had a transponder with mode-C. It's
pretty necessary in this neck of the woods. And you wouldn't go under or over
class-B airspace without one in an aircraft like those I owned.

I thought we were discussing the sort of super class-B you described in which
the protected airspace goes down to the ground and up to the flight levels
throughout the area as an alternative to the ADIZ. I used to make runs from New
Jersey to Knoxville and once made a short trip to Asheville, flying under the
1500' floor of the old class-B. I have also on occasion flown directly over
Dulles at 10,500' or 11,500', back when the cap was 10,000'. I've even flown
directly over downtown DC, back when it was a "TCA" and the roof was something
like 7,000'.

To make those same Asheville and Tennessee runs today, I would have to file a
flight plan, get a squawk code, and get permission to enter the ADIZ. Turn it
into a super class-B, and I still need to get a squawk code and get permission
to enter, and, if it's anything like the old class-B was, I probably won't get
permission to enter if I haven't filed a flight plan.

What has the ADIZ cost me? About half an hour on a run to Tennessee, plus it
forces me to cut past the first ridge of the Appalachians. Weather in that
pocket could make the run impossible for a VFR pilot like myself. In that case,
a run around the ADIZ to the east would add about an hour to the trip. The super
class-B would do the same.

The ADIZ also cost me the ability to attend the picnics that the Natalies used
to host, though. Just *maybe* a class-B setup would allow for that.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

What has the ADIZ cost me? About half an hour on a run to Tennessee, plus it
forces me to cut past the first ridge of the Appalachians. Weather in that
pocket could make the run impossible for a VFR pilot like myself. In that case,
a run around the ADIZ to the east would add about an hour to the trip. The super
class-B would do the same.

Why don't you go through the ADIZ? Filing is a five minute process and
getting permission ussually can be done without any delay if you call
10-15 mins before you would enter.

I rarely fly without an ADIZ flight plan, since I'm ussually leaving or
entering it (based in Leesburg).

I just don't see how its costing you 1/2 hour, unless your refering to
the fact that you can't fly through the smaller restricted zone.

-BC