How common are aircraft partnerships compared to outright ownerships?

xyzzy wrote:

Most members just fly one type
though, because each type caters to a different market.

Hmm. My ideal club would have little "sports" airplanes (I'd put a super
decathalon in that set, for example) and larger "travel" airplanes (ie. a
182 or 206, for example). Esp. with families, a six-seater looks *very*
attractive.

We're having that discussion now, looks like the club board has decided
to sell two of the four Warriors and buy 2 172's.

That's not really the kind of diversity that would excite me. What's the
point?

- Andrew

Andrew Gideon wrote:

xyzzy wrote:


Most members just fly one type
though, because each type caters to a different market.


Hmm. My ideal club would have little "sports" airplanes (I'd put a super
decathalon in that set, for example) and larger "travel" airplanes (ie. a
182 or 206, for example). Esp. with families, a six-seater looks *very*
attractive.


We're having that discussion now, looks like the club board has decided
to sell two of the four Warriors and buy 2 172's.


That's not really the kind of diversity that would excite me. What's the
point?

I think it's actually a long-term plan to replace all the Warriors with
172's, because the Warriors are aging and the club wants newer (but not
brand new) planes, but the vintage the club wants was when Piper was
bankrupt and/or struggling so there aren't many Warriors of the desired
age to choose from, but there are plenty of 172s.

xyzzy wrote:

I think it's actually a long-term plan to replace all the Warriors with
172's

Ah. That makes sense then, even if it's not a diversity issue.

- Andrew

xyzzy wrote:

I think it's actually a long-term plan to replace all the Warriors with
172's, because the Warriors are aging and the club wants newer (but not
brand new) planes, but the vintage the club wants was when Piper was
bankrupt and/or struggling so there aren't many Warriors of the desired
age to choose from, but there are plenty of 172s.

xyzzy, for my and Gig's benefit, could you clarify the above? Is your
club considering the fuel-injected C172 models made in 1997 or later
(sorry, I incorrectly thought 1998 was the year the first 172 was delivered
after Cessna's resumption of production)?

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Peter R. wrote:
xyzzy wrote:


I think it's actually a long-term plan to replace all the Warriors with
172's, because the Warriors are aging and the club wants newer (but not
brand new) planes, but the vintage the club wants was when Piper was
bankrupt and/or struggling so there aren't many Warriors of the desired
age to choose from, but there are plenty of 172s.


xyzzy, for my and Gig's benefit, could you clarify the above? Is your
club considering the fuel-injected C172 models made in 1997 or later
(sorry, I incorrectly thought 1998 was the year the first 172 was delivered
after Cessna's resumption of production)?


Last I heard they were shopping for 172 SP's, 2000ish vintage.

The current fleet of warriors are -161's, 1978-1982 vintage, with DME,
GX60 GPS, and coupled autopilot.

A quick check of controller.com shows asking prices in the 110-120K
range for the 172's in that age range, with a couple of dozen listed for
sale. Equivalent Warriors are about 10K more and there are only 3 of
them listed.

xyzzy wrote:

Last I heard they were shopping for 172 SP's, 2000ish vintage.

Thanks.

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Peter R. wrote:
xyzzy wrote:


Last I heard they were shopping for 172 SP's, 2000ish vintage.



That changes everything. Cessna really should have changed the name or
number on the plane if they are going to make the kind of changes they did.