Contest Safety

A.) If people are looking for excitement of this type...go
to a demolition derby.

B.) Those pilots who feel this is their privilege
to do...are hurting the rest of the sport when avoidable
accidents occur. The entire sport.

C.) What is the point of this anyway? Is it some
sort of compensation behaviour?

As P.I.C. you are in charge of safety.

So fly safe and save a life.

Came back from a competition in France where we did line finishes at runway
entry only. Never experienced or saw a critical situation. Lots of fun.

--
Bert Willing

ASW20 "TW"


"Stewart Kissel" a écrit dans le
message de news: ...
A.) If people are looking for excitement of this type...go
to a demolition derby.

B.) Those pilots who feel this is their privilege
to do...are hurting the rest of the sport when avoidable
accidents occur. The entire sport.

C.) What is the point of this anyway? Is it some
sort of compensation behaviour?

What do you mean by a finish cylinder ? A remote finish point ?

We used a finish cylinder in a competition this summer, but the cylinder was
in the middle of our airfield and the finishes where "normal" low high
energy finishes.

If you use a remote finish cylinder, maybe you will then get low height low
energy finishes to the airfield as pilots calculate their final glides to
the remote point. Any experiences ?

Regards, Jyrki
Finland

A Cylinder of 2000 meters from the middle of the airfield in effect a finish
line radius.

We were also instructed that going below 500 ft may bring a penalty from the
comp officials not that the rules covers it in detail.

33. Finish procedure

33.1 A glider having entered the finish zone must land without delay in a
safe manner. Once on the

ground, taxiing must be in the landing direction unless otherwise advised by
the Contest Director

and/or Safety Officer.

33.2 A glider will be deemed to have finished if it successfully completes
the course, and enters the finish

zone. A glider which lands off the airfield after having entered the finish
zone will be scored as a

finisher. A finishing pilot may not elect to declare an outlanding.

33.3 A pilot is permitted one finish per day.

NEW SOUTH WALES GLIDING ASSOCATION

State Championships Competition Rules

Version Sept 2005 Page 13

33.4 The Organisers must not set a minimum finishing height.

33.5 The Organisers may issue guidelines and recommendations as to the
behaviour of pilots within the

finish zone, including preferred circuit procedure and landing direction.
Pilots will not be penalised for

failing to follow these, unless their behaviour is unsafe.

33.6 A pilot may choose to land straight ahead after finishing but must do
so in a safe manner.

33.7 At least one and preferably two Safety Observers will observe gliders
finishing. The observer(s) will be

the Safety Officer and/or delegate(s).

33.8 The Observer(s) will make a subjective decision as to the question of
safety within the finish zone. The

Observer(s) may issue a warning or a technical penalty, or may refer more
serious matters to the

Penalties Committee.

33.9 The minimum penalty for a breach of safety at the finish will be 20
points. Where the penalty is less

than 100 points it will be considered a technical penalty.


http://www.gfa.org.au/Docs/sport/nswrules.pdf




"jth" wrote in message
...
What do you mean by a finish cylinder ? A remote finish point ?

We used a finish cylinder in a competition this summer, but the cylinder
was in the middle of our airfield and the finishes where "normal" low high
energy finishes.

If you use a remote finish cylinder, maybe you will then get low height
low energy finishes to the airfield as pilots calculate their final glides
to the remote point. Any experiences ?

Regards, Jyrki
Finland

Mal Wrote:
A Cylinder of 2000 meters from the middle of the airfield in effect a
finish line radius.

We were also instructed that going below 500 ft may bring a penalty from
the comp officials not that the rules covers it in detail.

It is not covered in detail to allow different procedures at different
locations. The 500ft penalty you refer to would be imposed by the contest
organisers at a particular comp. At some sites (such as Temora) they are
dead against it. At other sites, you are encouraged to do it, as long as it
is done safely.

Nick.

By the way, these are australian rules we are discussing.

Nick


"Nick Gilbert" wrote in message
...
Mal Wrote:
A Cylinder of 2000 meters from the middle of the airfield in effect a
finish line radius.

We were also instructed that going below 500 ft may bring a penalty from
the comp officials not that the rules covers it in detail.

It is not covered in detail to allow different procedures at different
locations. The 500ft penalty you refer to would be imposed by the contest
organisers at a particular comp. At some sites (such as Temora) they are
dead against it. At other sites, you are encouraged to do it, as long as
it is done safely.

Nick.

The USA Finish Cylinder is usually a 2 mile radius circle with a 500 ft
minimum with the center of the radius on home field. This simply means when
you enter the circle 2 miles out, you have finished. The glider is then
safely transitioned into a landing pattern at a slow and low energy pace.
However, even with this finish, you will have the occasional idiot that will
continue the descent and buss the field at a low altitude and high speed.
The best solution is to locate the finish cylinder a few miles away from the
home field.

Bob Fidler
F1

"Nick Gilbert" wrote in message
...
By the way, these are australian rules we are discussing.

Nick


"Nick Gilbert" wrote in message
...
Mal Wrote:
A Cylinder of 2000 meters from the middle of the airfield in effect a
finish line radius.

We were also instructed that going below 500 ft may bring a penalty from
the comp officials not that the rules covers it in detail.

It is not covered in detail to allow different procedures at different
locations. The 500ft penalty you refer to would be imposed by the contest
organisers at a particular comp. At some sites (such as Temora) they are
dead against it. At other sites, you are encouraged to do it, as long as
it is done safely.

Nick.

I am alive against it Nick in my youth I have partaken.

Either way I can still win without a beat up.

Besides who wants to trash a $180000.00 AUD worth of glider your dad would
not be happy or Bernard.

Let alone set a bad example to pilots who may try a beat up.

http://www.gfa.org.au/Docs/sport/ Plenty of reading for a cold winters day
such as today.

CASA says the following.
157 Low flying

(1) The pilot in command of an aircraft must not fly the aircraft over:

(a) any city, town or populous area, at a height lower than 1000 feet;

or

(b) any other area at a height lower than 500 feet.

Penalty: 50 penalty units.

(2) An offence against subregulation (1) is an offence of strict liability.

Note For strict liability, see section 6.1 of the Criminal Code.

(3) A height specified in subregulation (1) is the height above the highest

point of the terrain, and any object on it, within a radius of:

Civil Aviation Regulations 1988 327

Amended CAR - 2nd Ed Office of Legal Counsel

August 2003 Civil Aviation Safety Authority

(a) in the case of an aircraft other than a helicopter-600 metres; or

(b) in the case of a helicopter-300 metres;

from a point on the terrain vertically below the aircraft .

(3A) Paragraph 1 (a) does not apply in respect of a helicopter flying at a

designated altitude within an access lane details of which have been

published in the AIP or NOTAMS for use by helicopters arriving at or

departing from a specified place.

(4) Subregulation (1) does not apply if:

(a) through stress of weather or any other unavoidable cause it is

essential that a lower height be maintained; or

(b) the aircraft is engaged in private operations or aerial work

operations, being operations that require low flying, and the

owner or operator of the aircraft has received from CASA either a

general permit for all flights or a specific permit for the particular

flight to be made at a lower height while engaged in such

operations; or

(c) the pilot of the aircraft is engaged in flying training and flies over

a part of a flying training area in respect of which low flying is

authorised by CASA under subregulation 141 (1); or

(d) the pilot of the aircraft is engaged in a baulked approach

procedure, or the practice of such procedure under the

supervision of a flight instructor or a check pilot; or

(e) the aircraft is flying in the course of actually taking-off or landing

at an aerodrome; or

(f) the pilot of the aircraft is engaged in:

(i) a search; or

(ii) a rescue; or

(iii) dropping supplies;

in a search and rescue operation; or

(g) the aircraft is a helicopter:

(i) operated by, or for the purposes of, the Australian Federal

Police or the police force of a State or Territory; and

(ii) engaged in law enforcement operations; or

(h) the pilot of the aircraft is engaged in an operation which requires

the dropping of packages or other articles or substances in

accordance with directions issued by CASA.

Mal,

You are making me send this to you for the second time in 2 days, but, we
have an exemption to the CASA rule you are quoting. Please don't speak as
though you are an authority on something you clearly know very little about.
I am not suggesting that it is mandatory, or even advisable, just that you
are incorrect in your statement.

It is from CAO 95.4 (http://www.gfa.org.au/Docs/airworth/cao954.pdf) and
reads:

4.3 Gliders, powered sailplanes and power-assisted sailplanes participating
in a
gliding competition which has been approved in writing by CASA may, when

within 5 kilometres of the finish line, descend below 500 feet above the
ground

whilst:

(i) keeping the finish line in sight; and

(ii) clearing all obstacles by at least 50 feet; and

(iii) then land straight ahead across the finish line; or

(iv) cross the finish line without descending lower than 50 feet above the

ground or any obstacle thereon and with sufficient energy to

complete a circuit prior to landing.



Nick.


"Mal" wrote in message
...
I am alive against it Nick in my youth I have partaken.

Either way I can still win without a beat up.

Besides who wants to trash a $180000.00 AUD worth of glider your dad would
not be happy or Bernard.

Let alone set a bad example to pilots who may try a beat up.

http://www.gfa.org.au/Docs/sport/ Plenty of reading for a cold winters day
such as today.

CASA says the following.
157 Low flying

(1) The pilot in command of an aircraft must not fly the aircraft over:

(a) any city, town or populous area, at a height lower than 1000 feet;

or

(b) any other area at a height lower than 500 feet.

Penalty: 50 penalty units.

(2) An offence against subregulation (1) is an offence of strict
liability.

Note For strict liability, see section 6.1 of the Criminal Code.

(3) A height specified in subregulation (1) is the height above the
highest

point of the terrain, and any object on it, within a radius of:

Civil Aviation Regulations 1988 327

Amended CAR - 2nd Ed Office of Legal Counsel

August 2003 Civil Aviation Safety Authority

(a) in the case of an aircraft other than a helicopter-600 metres; or

(b) in the case of a helicopter-300 metres;

from a point on the terrain vertically below the aircraft .

(3A) Paragraph 1 (a) does not apply in respect of a helicopter flying at a

designated altitude within an access lane details of which have been

published in the AIP or NOTAMS for use by helicopters arriving at or

departing from a specified place.

(4) Subregulation (1) does not apply if:

(a) through stress of weather or any other unavoidable cause it is

essential that a lower height be maintained; or

(b) the aircraft is engaged in private operations or aerial work

operations, being operations that require low flying, and the

owner or operator of the aircraft has received from CASA either a

general permit for all flights or a specific permit for the particular

flight to be made at a lower height while engaged in such

operations; or

(c) the pilot of the aircraft is engaged in flying training and flies over

a part of a flying training area in respect of which low flying is

authorised by CASA under subregulation 141 (1); or

(d) the pilot of the aircraft is engaged in a baulked approach

procedure, or the practice of such procedure under the

supervision of a flight instructor or a check pilot; or

(e) the aircraft is flying in the course of actually taking-off or landing

at an aerodrome; or

(f) the pilot of the aircraft is engaged in:

(i) a search; or

(ii) a rescue; or

(iii) dropping supplies;

in a search and rescue operation; or

(g) the aircraft is a helicopter:

(i) operated by, or for the purposes of, the Australian Federal

Police or the police force of a State or Territory; and

(ii) engaged in law enforcement operations; or

(h) the pilot of the aircraft is engaged in an operation which requires

the dropping of packages or other articles or substances in

accordance with directions issued by CASA.