O2 and Cypriot airliner crash

Bruce Hoult wrote:

My recollection of my O2 training is that the rule is 30 minutes over
10,000 ft, or if you go over 12,500 ft at *all*.

No. 12,500' if you exceed it for 30 minutes or 14,000' if you go over that at
all. At 15,000', passengers also have to be on oxygen. Section 91.211.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 02:44:54 GMT, George Patterson
wrote:

Bruce Hoult wrote:

My recollection of my O2 training is that the rule is 30 minutes over
10,000 ft, or if you go over 12,500 ft at *all*.

No. 12,500' if you exceed it for 30 minutes or 14,000' if you go over that at
all. At 15,000', passengers also have to be on oxygen. Section 91.211.

This is all irrelevant if there is no oxygen in the system. That'd
be my guess. Too much trouble to check or refill. Tanks at the
airport are empty. Somebody sold them to a welder . . . .

Don

George Patterson wrote in
news:GqcMe.161$zb.155@trndny04:

Bruce Hoult wrote:

My recollection of my O2 training is that the rule is 30 minutes over
10,000 ft, or if you go over 12,500 ft at *all*.

No. 12,500' if you exceed it for 30 minutes or 14,000' if you go over
that at all. At 15,000', passengers also have to be on oxygen. Section
91.211.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person
to use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

Almost, but not quite correct.

91.211a(1,2) says "...flight crew is PROVIDED WITH AND USES (emphasis mine)
supplemental oxygen" at the 12,500 and 14,000 foot altitudes as you
correctly noted.

91.211a(3) says "...above 15,000 feet (MSL) unless each occupant is
PROVIDED WITH supplemental oxygen." Your passengers are never required to
be USING oxygen.

Yes, it's a minor point...
-Bob Korves

George Patterson wrote:
Bruce Hoult wrote:


My recollection of my O2 training is that the rule is 30 minutes over
10,000 ft, or if you go over 12,500 ft at *all*.


No. 12,500' if you exceed it for 30 minutes or 14,000' if you go over
that at all. At 15,000', passengers also have to be on oxygen. Section
91.211.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

You should check Bruce's Lat/Long in his sig before you start quoting
him US FARs.

Shawn

Shawn wrote:

You should check Bruce's Lat/Long in his sig before you start quoting
him US FARs.

My original post stated that "the FAA requires that a pilot use oxygen if they
spend over 30 minutes above 12,500'." He said that was wrong. Doesn't matter
where he happens to live, the FAA *still* requires that a pilot use oxygen if
they spend over 30 minutes above 12,500'.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

George Patterson wrote:
Shawn wrote:


You should check Bruce's Lat/Long in his sig before you start quoting
him US FARs.


My original post stated that "the FAA requires that a pilot use oxygen
if they spend over 30 minutes above 12,500'." He said that was wrong.
Doesn't matter where he happens to live, the FAA *still* requires that a
pilot use oxygen if they spend over 30 minutes above 12,500'.

Guess you read it differently than me. I read it as him stating his
experience, rather than correcting you. Usenet you know, it happens.
I know you're correct re the U.S. regs (unless they've changed since
April). I suspect Bruce is correct re the NZ regs given his previous
posting history on ras.
Both sets are really irrelevant in this case. Greek regs would apply.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

That's funny.

Shawn

George Patterson wrote:
No. 12,500' if you exceed it for 30 minutes or 14,000' if you go over
that at all. At 15,000', passengers also have to be on oxygen. Section
91.211.

actually the passengers must be *provided* with oxygen; notice
the different wording between 91.211(a)(2) and 91.211(a)(3);
i.e., your passengers do not have to be *on* oxygen (makes
for much quieter passengers, and saves on o2 refills :-)))

--Sylvain

In article GqcMe.161$zb.155@trndny04,
George Patterson wrote:

Bruce Hoult wrote:

My recollection of my O2 training is that the rule is 30 minutes over
10,000 ft, or if you go over 12,500 ft at *all*.

No. 12,500' if you exceed it for 30 minutes or 14,000' if you go over that at
all. At 15,000', passengers also have to be on oxygen. Section 91.211.

I don't see a section 91.211 in the New Zealand regulations.

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Bruce Hoult wrote:

I don't see a section 91.211 in the New Zealand regulations.

I didn't say there was. *You* said the FAA didn't have this requirement.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

In article ecxMe.681$wb.595@trndny09,
George Patterson wrote:

Bruce Hoult wrote:

I don't see a section 91.211 in the New Zealand regulations.

I didn't say there was. *You* said the FAA didn't have this requirement.

I did not mention the FAA at all. I mentioned the training I received.

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