At last, the truth...

You have it backwards. Motorcycling is *not* golf, nor flying, nor
boating... but I bet you just don't "get it" when it comes to
two-wheelers.

What, you're saying *motorcycling* is the be-all and end-all activity?

I've ridden for 20 years, and (IMHO) it is VERY similar to flying. I love
it dearly, but it is essentially just 2/3s of what flying is -- minus the
third dimension.

Until you can pull back on the handlebars and have the cycle go up, there
will be no comparison.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote

I've ridden for 20 years, and (IMHO) it is VERY similar to flying. I love
it dearly, but it is essentially just 2/3s of what flying is -- minus the
third dimension.

Until you can pull back on the handlebars and have the cycle go up, there
will be no comparison.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

Hey, wait a minute.... I think you may be on to something.

Let's see, some wings unfold out of the front wind fairing, a horizontal
pops out of the saddle bags... the prop could be folded along the back
fender, then opened and engaged....

I'll get back to you on this one... VBG
--
Jim in NC

"Jay Honeck" wrote in news:JCcMe.31172$084.14248
@attbi_s22:

You have it backwards. Motorcycling is *not* golf, nor flying, nor
boating... but I bet you just don't "get it" when it comes to
two-wheelers.

What, you're saying *motorcycling* is the be-all and end-all activity?

I've ridden for 20 years, and (IMHO) it is VERY similar to flying. I love
it dearly, but it is essentially just 2/3s of what flying is -- minus the
third dimension.

Until you can pull back on the handlebars and have the cycle go up, there
will be no comparison.

I've always felt motorcycle riding was like flying at zero AGL.

When you're riding the streets and freeways around LA, it's like
combat at zero AGL. The enemy uses their vehicles as weapons and
your only defense is superior maneuverability.

Brian
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Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?

When you're riding the streets and freeways around LA, it's like
combat at zero AGL. The enemy uses their vehicles as weapons and
your only defense is superior maneuverability.

Los Angeles is the only place I've ever ridden where I was actually spat
upon.

It's a pit; you can have it.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in news:JpkMe.256396$_o.162106
@attbi_s71:

When you're riding the streets and freeways around LA, it's like
combat at zero AGL. The enemy uses their vehicles as weapons and
your only defense is superior maneuverability.

Los Angeles is the only place I've ever ridden where I was actually spat
upon.

It's a pit; you can have it.

I don't want it either!!!! Actually, I live in Orange County. Don't
know that it's much better, though.

I've had the occasional problem with the errant cigarette butt or
ice dumped from a drink, or sand blowing out of a dump truck. Worse
injury was getting a large bug in the lip at 90 mph. Cut the inside
where my lip got smashed against my teeth. Didn't swallow any bug
parts. I keep my mouth shut.

But anyway, my riding tactics have evolved to the point that such
things aren't much of a problem anymore. I just don't allow myself
to become a target. It requires taking proactive control of my
situation in traffic and breaking a few laws along the way, but my
'close encounters' have dropped to near zero.

Now if only I had wings.....

Brian
--
http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism

Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html
Blog: http://www.skywise711.com/Blog

Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?

Jay Honeck wrote:

You have it backwards. Motorcycling is *not* golf, nor flying, nor

boating... but I bet you just don't "get it" when it comes to
two-wheelers.


What, you're saying *motorcycling* is the be-all and end-all activity?

I've ridden for 20 years, and (IMHO) it is VERY similar to flying. I love
it dearly, but it is essentially just 2/3s of what flying is -- minus the
third dimension.

Until you can pull back on the handlebars and have the cycle go up, there
will be no comparison.

I agree that flying is a greater pure thrill than motorcycling and I
have more than 30 years of motorcycling and approaching 30 years of
flying. However, since I live 40 minutes from the nearest airport, it
is much easier to walk down to my garage and take a spin on the bike
when I have a spare couple of hours, than it is to spend 1.5 of those
hours driving to and from the airport for a 30 minute hop.

And a motorcycle provides, as you say, maybe 2/3 rds of the thrill for
about 1/10 the money so it is a pretty good deal! :-)


Matt

Matt Whiting wrote:

I agree that flying is a greater pure thrill than motorcycling and I
have more than 30 years of motorcycling and approaching 30 years of
flying. However, since I live 40 minutes from the nearest airport, it
is much easier to walk down to my garage and take a spin on the bike
when I have a spare couple of hours, than it is to spend 1.5 of those
hours driving to and from the airport for a 30 minute hop.

You put your finger on one reason I sold the Maule. It took me 45 minutes on a
good day to drive to the airport. Over fairly heavily traveled 2-lane roads that
could easily add half an hour to the trip. Add in 20 minutes to untie and
pre-flight and 15 minutes to put her to bed and the entire afternoon is gone for
even a short flight.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

You put your finger on one reason I sold the Maule. It took me 45 minutes
on a good day to drive to the airport. Over fairly heavily traveled 2-lane
roads that could easily add half an hour to the trip. Add in 20 minutes to
untie and pre-flight and 15 minutes to put her to bed and the entire
afternoon is gone for even a short flight.

Now George, we've been over this before. If you had been open to moving to
a more GA friendly part of the country, you, too, could have lived 30
seconds from your plane. You opted instead to remain in the congested
eastern part of the US, for purely economic reasons.

While this may have made perfect sense from a marital standpoint, it was
certainly no good reason to sell a perfectly good airplane!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in
You put your finger on one reason I sold the Maule. It took me 45 minutes
on a good day to drive to the airport. Over fairly heavily traveled
2-lane roads that could easily add half an hour to the trip. Add in 20
minutes to untie and pre-flight and 15 minutes to put her to bed and the
entire afternoon is gone for even a short flight.

Now George, we've been over this before. If you had been open to moving
to a more GA friendly part of the country, you, too, could have lived 30
seconds from your plane. You opted instead to remain in the congested
eastern part of the US, for purely economic reasons.

But, it's a valid point. I'm selling the Zlins. Acro was fun, was *almost*
a flying-habit supporting business and a great way to learn to fly. I'm
down for a fifth of an SR-22. But I'm having trouble finding two more
people with the necessary 500 hours PIC as required by the insurers. The
airport is a 15 minute walk away. (And I live downtown in a busy
metropolis.) There's another airport an hours drive away where I can get
the necessary partners. But that doesn't interest me much. The spontaneity
is important. Maybe I'll get a cottage and an ultralight.

moo

Jay Honeck wrote:

Now George, we've been over this before. If you had been open to moving to
a more GA friendly part of the country, you, too, could have lived 30
seconds from your plane. You opted instead to remain in the congested
eastern part of the US, for purely economic reasons.

I opted to remain here because family considerations make it impossible for
Elisabeth to move and I wish to remain married. I have no intention of posting
the details.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.