Steven P, McNicoll just ****ed me off

John Gaquin wrote:

Mike Weller wrote:

.... I think that your condescending language on this
particular topic will not serve any purpose to improve flying safety.


In future, Steven, do not concern yourself with accuracy. However, be
sure
your tone doesn't offend anyone. This is more important.

Interesting... Is it more important for a CFI to be accurate or have a
better 'tone'? I guess I prefer a more accurate CFI 'cause I stuck with my
Private CFI for my Instrument. Don't tell him that though.

Hilton

"Hilton" wrote in message
k.net...
In future, Steven, do not concern yourself with accuracy. However, be
sure your tone doesn't offend anyone. This is more important.

Interesting... Is it more important for a CFI to be accurate or have a
better 'tone'? I guess I prefer a more accurate CFI 'cause I stuck with
my
Private CFI for my Instrument.

It would be best to have both, however.

It's funny, I can relate both to the folks who get irritated with Steven
(though frankly, in this particular set of threads, it seems to me all he's
done is provide accurate information...I didn't see anything irritating
about that), as well as to Steven himself. We both get crap for our "method
of delivery", even when we are providing accurate information, while the
folks who go around cussing and throwing around personal insults are
apparently condoned (activities that Steven and I both practically never
engage in, nor do many of the other "factually correct" folks here).

Just one of the funny things about Usenet, I guess. It's okay to go ad
hominem and use foul language, but don't you dare get caught acting like you
actually might KNOW something.

Pete

There is no fear of retaliation.

People say stuff here that they would never say to you face to face. These
kinds of forums have opened up a way for people to say whats "REALLY" on
their minds without any fear.

Some of the things I've seen people say here would get them a severe
beating, or DEAD if they were talking to a person live. I also guess that
depends on who they are talking to.

When I joined the piloting news groups, I thought I would find a more
mature, intelligent group of people. Nope, same ol flaming bull****. (There
are exceptions of course)

Think about it this way before you post, wuld you say this to a person face?
Don't just say "of course", really think about it, and think about social
ettiquette. Pretend you are at a party. You can get into a lively
discussion, but would you flat out insult someone like that? Chances are
you would be standing by yourself if you did. People usually come up with
more "polite" ways to insult people in good company.

Now some people just plain deserve to be told off, but I try not to waste my
energy on those people. I just ignore their post, and continue on my way.

Uh oh, I sense some heat coming my way.......

Dave


"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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"Hilton" wrote in message
k.net...
In future, Steven, do not concern yourself with accuracy. However, be
sure your tone doesn't offend anyone. This is more important.

Interesting... Is it more important for a CFI to be accurate or have a
better 'tone'? I guess I prefer a more accurate CFI 'cause I stuck with
my
Private CFI for my Instrument.

It would be best to have both, however.

It's funny, I can relate both to the folks who get irritated with Steven
(though frankly, in this particular set of threads, it seems to me all
he's done is provide accurate information...I didn't see anything
irritating about that), as well as to Steven himself. We both get crap
for our "method of delivery", even when we are providing accurate
information, while the folks who go around cussing and throwing around
personal insults are apparently condoned (activities that Steven and I
both practically never engage in, nor do many of the other "factually
correct" folks here).

Just one of the funny things about Usenet, I guess. It's okay to go ad
hominem and use foul language, but don't you dare get caught acting like
you actually might KNOW something.

Pete

"Dave" wrote in message
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[...]
Some of the things I've seen people say here would get them a severe
beating, or DEAD if they were talking to a person live. I also guess that
depends on who they are talking to.

Well, *that* is a funny commentary on human society. Personally, I grew up
with the "sticks and stones..." philosophy taught to me. Why would I
physically attack a person just because they are making an ass of
themselves? But you're right...there are plenty of people out there who
react just that way. (I guess refer back to my "most people are idiots"
post ).

[...]
Think about it this way before you post, wuld you say this to a person
face? Don't just say "of course", really think about it, and think about
social ettiquette.

One of the other funny things is that some people have accused me of saying
things I wouldn't say to a person face to face (keep in mind here that they
are saying this about statements that are decidedly not ad hominem attacks
nor that use foul language). Those people obviously haven't met me face to
face. I say what I think, and my friends know that. They are still my
friends, and most of them appreciate that I say what I think.

That's not particularly germane to your point (which was about blatantly
offensive statements), but I still find the situation ironic.

As far as the explicitly offensive stuff goes, if anything, I'm more likely
to use rude or foul language in person than here. It's much easier to take
things back face to face. (Though, I obviously try to avoid it in any
context).

Pete

Well, that may be true for you but in my experience, most people that I've
met live from newsgroups wouldn't DARE say half the things in person that
they say on here.

I can even go back to the early 80s when we had BBS's to post on. We would
have parties, and it was amazing how different people were in person. You
have this little wimpy pale guy who would shake if you talked to him, but
online he was the biggest ass.

I've tried to stay true to my personality both online and in person. When I
wrote a few weeks ago that some guy acted like he had a stick up his ass,
its something I would have said to him in person, even at a social event,
because he was jumping all over people over slight mis-spellings, and
grammar errors.

Now I know, I shouldn't have even posted it, but I saw so many of his
negative posts that day, I thought I would call him on it. I was enjoying
reading positive, informative information, but then this guy would pop in
every time with some stupid ass comment.

What I'm trying to say, is that people need to "grow up" online, and stop
with the jr. high school crap.

Flame all you want, I just think its stupid.

Dave


"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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"Dave" wrote in message
...
[...]
Some of the things I've seen people say here would get them a severe
beating, or DEAD if they were talking to a person live. I also guess
that depends on who they are talking to.

Well, *that* is a funny commentary on human society. Personally, I grew
up with the "sticks and stones..." philosophy taught to me. Why would I
physically attack a person just because they are making an ass of
themselves? But you're right...there are plenty of people out there who
react just that way. (I guess refer back to my "most people are idiots"
post ).

[...]
Think about it this way before you post, wuld you say this to a person
face? Don't just say "of course", really think about it, and think about
social ettiquette.

One of the other funny things is that some people have accused me of
saying things I wouldn't say to a person face to face (keep in mind here
that they are saying this about statements that are decidedly not ad
hominem attacks nor that use foul language). Those people obviously
haven't met me face to face. I say what I think, and my friends know
that. They are still my friends, and most of them appreciate that I say
what I think.

That's not particularly germane to your point (which was about blatantly
offensive statements), but I still find the situation ironic.

As far as the explicitly offensive stuff goes, if anything, I'm more
likely to use rude or foul language in person than here. It's much easier
to take things back face to face. (Though, I obviously try to avoid it in
any context).

Pete

"Dave" wrote in
There is no fear of retaliation.

People say stuff here that they would never say to you face to face.
These kinds of forums have opened up a way for people to say whats
"REALLY" on their minds without any fear.

Some of the things I've seen people say here would get them a severe
beating, or DEAD if they were talking to a person live. I also guess that
depends on who they are talking to.

he he The joys of Usenet. I don't write anything I wouldn't say in person
except to someone who poses some sort of threat. Even here, though, I've
seen people stalked and harrassed by idiots who think it's fair game to post
personal information on people whos views they don't like. It's happened to
me a few times. But, after more than a decade of this, it's still an
enjoyable pasttime and way better than watching television.

moo