Control Tower Controversy brewing in the FAA

cheaper I might agree with... but safer??

maybe safer for the gov't that does not have to face a law suit when a gov't
controller "screws the deal" and ends up facing a lawsuit.. like the two
that hit at an cross intersection.. or what has been in all the aviation
mags lately.. the "position and hold" clearance down field, in front of
another aircraft that was "cleared for take off" at the beginning of the
runway.. tower thought the "position and hold" aircraft was also using full
length, not an intersection departure..

so the pilots (or surviving families) sue the "private ATC company" for the
screw up.. and not the gov't..

hence.. it is safer for the gov't

BT
"Cub Driver" wrote in message
...

The Bush administration sure does seem to have a major bug up its ass
about forcing ATC privatization - WHY?

Cheaper and safer?

all the best -- Dan Ford
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BTIZ wrote:

cheaper I might agree with... but safer??

so the pilots (or surviving families) sue the "private ATC company" for the
screw up.. and not the gov't..

If that happens, the next contract will cost the Feds lots more money, so it
won't be cheaper anymore.

George Patterson
They say nothing's certain except death and taxes. The thing is, death
doesn't get worse every time Congress goes into session.

Unless they write legislation absolving the private companies from
liability.

Before you say they can't do that, look at the new energy bill and what it
is doing to the lawsuits dealing with MTBE in groundwater.


"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
...


BTIZ wrote:

cheaper I might agree with... but safer??

so the pilots (or surviving families) sue the "private ATC company" for
the
screw up.. and not the gov't..

If that happens, the next contract will cost the Feds lots more money, so
it
won't be cheaper anymore.

George Patterson
They say nothing's certain except death and taxes. The thing is,
death
doesn't get worse every time Congress goes into session.

Peter Gottlieb wrote:

Unless they write legislation absolving the private companies from
liability.

Oh, I'm sure they can. They did that with the USPS when that got privatized.

George Patterson
They say nothing's certain except death and taxes. The thing is, death
doesn't get worse every time Congress goes into session.

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
...


Peter Gottlieb wrote:

Unless they write legislation absolving the private companies from
liability.

Oh, I'm sure they can. They did that with the USPS when that got
privatized.

The postal service is a Constitutional entity and therefore you are
comparing apples and oranges. The system was at saturation a couple of
years ago and will probably be again in a couple more. GA is going to get
frozen out under the current ATC system.

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
...


Peter Gottlieb wrote:

Unless they write legislation absolving the private companies from
liability.

Oh, I'm sure they can. They did that with the USPS when that got
privatized.

That's the problem if ATC "privatization" is done like USPS, or the phone
companies, power utilities....

"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message
et...
Unless they write legislation absolving the private companies from
liability.

Before you say they can't do that, look at the new energy bill and what it
is doing to the lawsuits dealing with MTBE in groundwater.

California developed and mandated MTBE.

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
...


BTIZ wrote:

cheaper I might agree with... but safer??

so the pilots (or surviving families) sue the "private ATC company"
for
the
screw up.. and not the gov't..

If that happens, the next contract will cost the Feds lots more money,
so
it
won't be cheaper anymore.

George Patterson
They say nothing's certain except death and taxes. The thing is,
death
doesn't get worse every time Congress goes into session.

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
...


BTIZ wrote:

cheaper I might agree with... but safer??

so the pilots (or surviving families) sue the "private ATC company" for
the
screw up.. and not the gov't..

If that happens, the next contract will cost the Feds lots more money, so
it
won't be cheaper anymore.

Has costs to government ever keep them back?

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:10:13 -0800, "BTIZ"
wrote:

cheaper I might agree with... but safer??

Let's put it this way. If you had a very valuable package that just
had to get there, would you take it to the post office or to Fed Ex?

When you go through airport security, would you feel safer in Boston
(where the screeners are federal employees) or in Haifa (where they
are private)?


all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put CUB in subject line)

see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

Cub Driver wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:10:13 -0800, "BTIZ"
wrote:


cheaper I might agree with... but safer??


Let's put it this way. If you had a very valuable package that just
had to get there, would you take it to the post office or to Fed Ex?

Depends on how big a hurry I'm in. I've found the USPS as reliable as
either Fed Ex or UPS, just slower ... but much cheaper. I don't doubt
that a private ATC would be more efficient, but it wouldn't matter as
none of us could afford to fly privately any longer.


When you go through airport security, would you feel safer in Boston
(where the screeners are federal employees) or in Haifa (where they
are private)?

Haifa, but not because they are private, because they have LOTS more
experience.


Matt