Control Tower Controversy brewing in the FAA

Matthew S. Whiting wrote:

Seniority is a nonfactor at the FAA. We only use it to bid our days
off twice a year.


That is truly good to know. Are annual increases merit based or COLA?
What are the promotion criteria?

Annual increases are the same as what every Social Security recipient
gets. Usually in the 3-4% range, next year however it is about 2.5%.
There are also increases based on your localities cost of living also
added onto that. As for promotion I do not get promoted unless I put
myself in a pool for a particular job opening. For example if Denver
needs a controller or three that job will get posted for everyone to
see. If I am interested in moving to Denver I will submit my paperwork.
I may or may not get selected, none of the criteria is based simply
upon years of experience. All promotions entail a paid move. Under no
circumstances will I get to work one day and find I have been promoted
to either another facility or into management of my current facility.

Newps wrote:


Matthew S. Whiting wrote:

Seniority is a nonfactor at the FAA. We only use it to bid our days
off twice a year.


That is truly good to know. Are annual increases merit based or COLA?
What are the promotion criteria?


Annual increases are the same as what every Social Security recipient
gets. Usually in the 3-4% range, next year however it is about 2.5%.
There are also increases based on your localities cost of living also
added onto that. As for promotion I do not get promoted unless I put
myself in a pool for a particular job opening. For example if Denver
needs a controller or three that job will get posted for everyone to
see. If I am interested in moving to Denver I will submit my paperwork.
I may or may not get selected, none of the criteria is based simply
upon years of experience. All promotions entail a paid move. Under no
circumstances will I get to work one day and find I have been promoted
to either another facility or into management of my current facility.


Where I work, our annual raises are called "merit increases" and are
quite variable from 0% to upwards of 10% based on your performance for
the year. Likewise, promotions are based on performance and increased
scope of responsibility (the ATC equivalent is probably working a larger
or busier airport or sector). We don't get COLAs and seniority plays no
role in our pay increases beyond the fact that experience should add to
your competence to some degree at least.


Matt

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Matthew S. Whiting wrote:

Because most private companies that perform functions similar to
governmental agencies are more efficient. I think new technology would
be adopted faster and with less bureaucracy. I think controller
performance would be rewarded more effectively. Last I knew, most civil
service jobs still had a lot of focus on seniority, more like a union
workforce in the private sector than a professional workforce in the
private sector.

Seniority is a nonfactor at the FAA. We only use it to bid our days off
twice a year.

Bull!! Seniority is a major (the major?) key in any bureaucracy or Union.

"Tom S." wrote in message
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Bull!! Seniority is a major (the major?) key in any bureaucracy or Union.


Not when it isn't the driving force in anything but vacation days.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Tom S." wrote in message
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Bull!! Seniority is a major (the major?) key in any bureaucracy or
Union.


Not when it isn't the driving force in anything but vacation days.

Riggggghhhttt!!

Tom S. wrote:



Seniority is a nonfactor at the FAA. We only use it to bid our days off
twice a year.


Bull!! Seniority is a major (the major?) key in any bureaucracy or Union.

I am not in the union. The only thing based on seniority is the order
in which you get to pick your days off every 6 months. The union local
used to get to set their own seniority policy for their own facility.
NATCA National put the kabosh on that several years ago and now we are
all under the same seniority policy nationwide. There are only 5 union
members at BIL ATCT out of 18 controllers. I will say that the FAA has
bent over and let NATCA run ATC for many years now but as far as
seniority goes it ain't nuthin' like say the UAW.

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Tom S. wrote:

Seniority is a nonfactor at the FAA. We only use it to bid our
days off
twice a year.

Bull!! Seniority is a major (the major?) key in any bureaucracy or
Union.

I am not in the union. The only thing based on seniority is the
order
in which you get to pick your days off every 6 months. The union
local
used to get to set their own seniority policy for their own
facility.
NATCA National put the kabosh on that several years ago and now we
are
all under the same seniority policy nationwide. There are only 5
union
members at BIL ATCT out of 18 controllers. I will say that the FAA
has
bent over and let NATCA run ATC for many years now but as far as
seniority goes it ain't nuthin' like say the UAW.

That's because, as Reagan proved in 1981, federal unions such as PATCO
and NATCA are toothless tigers because they cannot strike. Their
sole power resides in their ability to convince management by the
logical force of argument - and we all know how well that works if
management doesn't want to cooperate - or lobbying for political
support on Capitol Hill. NATCA's expensive PR campaign to influence
Congress in the FAA Reauthorization Bill, necessitated by the loss of
the political support that they enjoyed during the Clinton years,
proves that point.

All of which confirms your response to Tom Ass that he has no clue
about federal unions.

John Mazor wrote:

That's because, as Reagan proved in 1981, federal unions such as PATCO
and NATCA are toothless tigers because they cannot strike. Their
sole power resides in their ability to convince management by the
logical force of argument - and we all know how well that works if
management doesn't want to cooperate - or lobbying for political
support on Capitol Hill.

NATCA just goes right over the head of management and directly to Congress.


NATCA's expensive PR campaign to influence
Congress in the FAA Reauthorization Bill, necessitated by the loss of
the political support that they enjoyed during the Clinton years,
proves that point.

NATCA is always going to Congress about something or other.

"Tom S." wrote:

Bull!! Seniority is a major (the major?) key in any bureaucracy or Union.

It certainly was not a factor in the United Brotherhood of Carpenters and
Joiners of America, of which I was a member in the '70s.

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