Control Tower Controversy brewing in the FAA

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"Matthew S. Whiting" wrote in message
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Because most private companies that perform functions similar to
governmental agencies are more efficient.


Sure, susccessful private companies are forced by competition to be more
efficient or fail. But you can't have competition in ATC.

That's what the Bell System thought on Long Distance calling back in the
70's and 80's regarding their industry.


Automation is the natural competitor of civil service.

And if they fail to deliver the goods, someone else gets the deal (unless
ATC is privatized the way Qwest, the Postal DisService, and most utilities
are chartered.

"Tom S." wrote in message
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That's what the Bell System thought on Long Distance calling back in the
70's and 80's regarding their industry.


Bell was wrong, you can have more than one provider of long distance
service. If more than one company attempts to provide separation nobody has
separation.

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"Tom S." wrote in message
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That's what the Bell System thought on Long Distance calling back in the
70's and 80's regarding their industry.


Bell was wrong, you can have more than one provider of long distance
service.

That's what they found out the hard way. MCI was going on five eyars before
AT&T began to even take notice.

If more than one company attempts to provide separation nobody has
separation.

Wrong analogy.

"Tom S." wrote in message
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Wrong analogy.


No, that's the precise analogy.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Tom S." wrote in message
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Wrong analogy.


No, that's the precise analogy.

Privatization for the Bells was the end of human Toll Call connection, in
favor of automation. Now a collect call for 20 minutes costs less than the
first minute of a direct dial toll call once did.

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"Tom S." wrote in message
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Wrong analogy.


No, that's the precise analogy.

Privatization for the Bells was the end of human Toll Call connection, in
favor of automation. Now a collect call for 20 minutes costs less than
the
first minute of a direct dial toll call once did.

The Bell's were always private companies, but with legal monopolies. It was
the introduction of COMPETITION, in the form of MCI (who essentially started
it off) and other than drove the Bells to compete. They could not do it with
labor intensive processes.

"Tom S." wrote in message
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"Tom S." wrote in message
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Wrong analogy.


No, that's the precise analogy.

Privatization for the Bells was the end of human Toll Call connection,
in
favor of automation. Now a collect call for 20 minutes costs less than
the
first minute of a direct dial toll call once did.

The Bell's were always private companies, but with legal monopolies. It
was
the introduction of COMPETITION, in the form of MCI (who essentially
started
it off) and other than drove the Bells to compete. They could not do it
with
labor intensive processes.

Payroll is where the money is.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Tom S." wrote in message
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That's what the Bell System thought on Long Distance calling back in the
70's and 80's regarding their industry.



Bell was wrong, you can have more than one provider of long distance
service. If more than one company attempts to provide separation nobody has
separation.



You could have regional ATC companies the same way AT&T was broken up
into the RBOCs. Telecomm has much the same problem as ATC does. Not
economical to have 6 sets of phone poles and lines run to every user,
same as 6 ATC companies couldn't provide separation in the same airspace.


Matt

"Matthew S. Whiting" wrote in message
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You could have regional ATC companies the same way AT&T was broken up
into the RBOCs.


Yes, but you still wouldn't have competition.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Matthew S. Whiting" wrote in message
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You could have regional ATC companies the same way AT&T was broken up
into the RBOCs.



Yes, but you still wouldn't have competition.



Yes, you would have some competition if each region was periodically bid
out, but certainly not perfect competition in the economics sense of the
word.


Matt