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"Andreas Maurer" wrote in message
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How many times have you praised yourself for having instruments on
board that do not need electricity to work properly?

I did that dozens of times - electricity is definitely not a reliable
thing in gliders.



Bye
Andreas

This amazes me. Electricity not reliable? I know this is "conventional
wisdom" but, I have never had an electronic device fail in flight but many,
many mechanical instruments have failed me. In fact, even when an
electronic device seemed to fail, it was always a mechanical switch or
battery contact that failed and not the device itself. (Hint: Use the best
electrical hardware money can buy.)

I sit here typing on an incredibly complex device called a Personal
Computer. The CPU alone has over 10 million transistors in it. If the PC
ever fails, the reason will almost certainly be the mechanical hard drive.
If the power grid fails to provide electricity, the UPS will keep it running
long enough for a graceful shutdown.

In just the last month, we have had a mechanical altimeter fail. The only
way we knew was that it couldn't be set to local field elevation. We had an
airspeed indicator fail to work at all. I had mechanical altimeter suddenly
lose 2000 feet as it became unstuck. The Winter mechanical vario in one
glider spends most of the time stuck at +10 Kts. so we rely on the only
reliable one - the Cambridge L-Nav. (If I ask, "Why the mechanical vario",
I hear, "For backup".) Mechanical instruments are neither rugged nor
reliable.

Mike Borgelt makes an excellent case for using his B40 with it's internal 9V
battery as a backup. Unlike the Winter, it has audio even while running on
the internal battery.

As for readability, I don't think you will find a "three hand" altimeter in
an airliner anymore. They have had drum-type digital displays since
sometime in the 1960's. Many studies have shown the digital readout is
harder to mis-read. Although, today these are likely to be just the back-up
to the digital "glass cockpit".

Bill Daniels

Bill Daniels wrote:

This amazes me. Electricity not reliable? I know this is "conventional
wisdom" but, I have never had an electronic device fail in flight but many,

I had the battery fail twice on me: During my first 300km flight and
during my second 300km flight. Which meant that I had done two
successful 300km flights without GPS and acoustic vario, but none of
them was logged. :-P

Stefan

"Stefan" wrote in message
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Bill Daniels wrote:

This amazes me. Electricity not reliable? I know this is "conventional
wisdom" but, I have never had an electronic device fail in flight but
many,

I had the battery fail twice on me: During my first 300km flight and
during my second 300km flight. Which meant that I had done two
successful 300km flights without GPS and acoustic vario, but none of
them was logged. :-P

Stefan, buy a new battery. They are cheap these days. At least, much
cheaper than a failed 300Km attempt.

Bill Daniels

I'll second the use of the B40 as a backup. I don't have a mechanical vario
at all. As a precaution, I change the B40 internal battery on the same
schedule as the one on the MH Oxygen system, wasteful perhaps, but
reassuring.

Ray Warshaw
1LK


"Bill Daniels" wrote in message
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"Andreas Maurer" wrote in message
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How many times have you praised yourself for having instruments on
board that do not need electricity to work properly?

I did that dozens of times - electricity is definitely not a reliable
thing in gliders.



Bye
Andreas

This amazes me. Electricity not reliable? I know this is "conventional
wisdom" but, I have never had an electronic device fail in flight but
many,
many mechanical instruments have failed me. In fact, even when an
electronic device seemed to fail, it was always a mechanical switch or
battery contact that failed and not the device itself. (Hint: Use the
best
electrical hardware money can buy.)

I sit here typing on an incredibly complex device called a Personal
Computer. The CPU alone has over 10 million transistors in it. If the PC
ever fails, the reason will almost certainly be the mechanical hard drive.
If the power grid fails to provide electricity, the UPS will keep it
running
long enough for a graceful shutdown.

In just the last month, we have had a mechanical altimeter fail. The only
way we knew was that it couldn't be set to local field elevation. We had
an
airspeed indicator fail to work at all. I had mechanical altimeter
suddenly
lose 2000 feet as it became unstuck. The Winter mechanical vario in one
glider spends most of the time stuck at +10 Kts. so we rely on the only
reliable one - the Cambridge L-Nav. (If I ask, "Why the mechanical
vario",
I hear, "For backup".) Mechanical instruments are neither rugged nor
reliable.

Mike Borgelt makes an excellent case for using his B40 with it's internal
9V
battery as a backup. Unlike the Winter, it has audio even while running
on
the internal battery.

As for readability, I don't think you will find a "three hand" altimeter
in
an airliner anymore. They have had drum-type digital displays since
sometime in the 1960's. Many studies have shown the digital readout is
harder to mis-read. Although, today these are likely to be just the
back-up
to the digital "glass cockpit".

Bill Daniels

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:17:23 -0600, "Bill Daniels"
wrote:


This amazes me. Electricity not reliable? I know this is "conventional
wisdom" but, I have never had an electronic device fail in flight but many,
many mechanical instruments have failed me.

Glad that you never had a problem.
I have lost count of the numbers where my clubs glider's batteries
were forgotten to charge after flight or ran out of energy because
they had reached their service life...

Not to mention more than a couple of GPS failures over the years...

Of course - there have been more than a couple of mechanical (Winter)
altimeter failures, too - but at least the altimeter didn't stop
working at all but only lost precision.


It's pretty impossible to convince me of the superiority of something
that needs to be charged as long as more than one owner is involved.
This includes a backup battery. vbg



Bye
Andreas

Well, even if there is only one owner involved, I'm not going to rely on
electrically power instruments only. Never.

--
Bert Willing

ASW20 "TW"


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On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:17:23 -0600, "Bill Daniels"
wrote:


This amazes me. Electricity not reliable? I know this is "conventional
wisdom" but, I have never had an electronic device fail in flight but
many,
many mechanical instruments have failed me.

Glad that you never had a problem.
I have lost count of the numbers where my clubs glider's batteries
were forgotten to charge after flight or ran out of energy because
they had reached their service life...

Not to mention more than a couple of GPS failures over the years...

Of course - there have been more than a couple of mechanical (Winter)
altimeter failures, too - but at least the altimeter didn't stop
working at all but only lost precision.


It's pretty impossible to convince me of the superiority of something
that needs to be charged as long as more than one owner is involved.
This includes a backup battery. vbg



Bye
Andreas

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:43:46 +0200, "Bert Willing"
wrote:

Well, even if there is only one owner involved, I'm not going to rely on
electrically power instruments only. Never.^

I still remember one competition back in 1991 when the US shut down
GPS and suddenly a gaggle of 30 standard class gliders lost their
navigation in the vicinity of Sobernheim (several airbases and
restricted airspace there). I got to know a new definition of the term
"confusion".





Bye
Andreas