Student Drop-Out Rates...why?

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:34:49 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
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We are dangerously low on refinery capacity, and current EPA regulations
make it essentially impossible to build any more in the U.S.

It's insane, but it's the law.

So you wouldn't have any problem with a new refinery coming on-line up
wind of your abode?

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:34:49 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote in
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We are dangerously low on refinery capacity, and current EPA regulations
make it essentially impossible to build any more in the U.S.

It's insane, but it's the law.

So you wouldn't have any problem with a new refinery coming on-line up
wind of your abode?


I wouldn't mind at all. As a matter of fact I'd welcome it. At this very
moment there is a very old refinery 1.13 miles (as the Skyhawk flies) away
from my house and I can't remember the last time I smelled anything from it.

Now, when I was growing up the place regularly put out an odor that would
curl your toes but over the last 20 years it has cleaned up nicely.

It's insane, but it's the law.

So you wouldn't have any problem with a new refinery coming on-line up
wind of your abode?


I wouldn't mind at all. As a matter of fact I'd welcome it. At this very
moment there is a very old refinery 1.13 miles (as the Skyhawk flies) away
from my house and I can't remember the last time I smelled anything from
it.

Now, when I was growing up the place regularly put out an odor that would
curl your toes but over the last 20 years it has cleaned up nicely.

Unfortunately, it's that "nice odor" (or lack thereof) that cost billions,
and has made it economically impossible for any oil company to build a new
refinery.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:

Unfortunately, it's that "nice odor" (or lack thereof) that cost billions,
and has made it economically impossible for any oil company to build a new
refinery.

At some point, petroleum products will cost enough to make it economically
feasible again.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

Unfortunately, it's that "nice odor" (or lack thereof) that cost billions,
and has made it economically impossible for any oil company to build a new
refinery.

.... and that's a Good Thing.

Jose
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except there's no God, and there's no dice. And maybe there's no universe.
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Jose opined

Unfortunately, it's that "nice odor" (or lack thereof) that cost billions,
and has made it economically impossible for any oil company to build a new
refinery.

... and that's a Good Thing.

Nobody says that it is a bad thing... But it is an expensive thing .


-ash
Cthulhu in 2005!
Why wait for nature?

On 2005-08-26, Jay Honeck wrote:
Unfortunately, it's that "nice odor" (or lack thereof) that cost billions,
and has made it economically impossible for any oil company to build a new
refinery.

I'd rather pay a bit more money for my avgas than have to smell the
stink of refineries.

Even with current regulations, the air in the area of Houston I used to
live turned green some days. The DE that I did my instrument ride with
told me it used to be much worse - the premature deaths, rivers catching
on fire, no fish in the bay etc. when he used to live in nearby Beaumont
(another refinery town). The EPA regulations if anything need to be
stricter still.

In any case, it's not economically impossible to build a new refinery.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

"Dylan Smith" wrote in message
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On 2005-08-26, Jay Honeck wrote:
Unfortunately, it's that "nice odor" (or lack thereof) that cost
billions,
and has made it economically impossible for any oil company to build a
new
refinery.

I'd rather pay a bit more money for my avgas than have to smell the
stink of refineries.

Even with current regulations, the air in the area of Houston I used to
live turned green some days. The DE that I did my instrument ride with
told me it used to be much worse - the premature deaths, rivers catching
on fire, no fish in the bay etc. when he used to live in nearby Beaumont
(another refinery town). The EPA regulations if anything need to be
stricter still.


The total cost to society is less with the pollution controls than without.

Mike
MU-2

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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It's insane, but it's the law.

So you wouldn't have any problem with a new refinery coming on-line up
wind of your abode?


I wouldn't mind at all. As a matter of fact I'd welcome it. At this very
moment there is a very old refinery 1.13 miles (as the Skyhawk flies)
away from my house and I can't remember the last time I smelled anything
from it.

Now, when I was growing up the place regularly put out an odor that would
curl your toes but over the last 20 years it has cleaned up nicely.

Unfortunately, it's that "nice odor" (or lack thereof) that cost billions,
and has made it economically impossible for any oil company to build a new
refinery.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


Where do you get this stuff? AM radio?

Why would it be economical to retrofit all the existing refineries with
pollution controls (which has been done) but not economical to build new
refineries with the pollution controls?

Mike
MU-2

We are dangerously low on refinery capacity, and current EPA regulations
make it essentially impossible to build any more in the U.S.

It's insane, but it's the law.

So you wouldn't have any problem with a new refinery coming on-line up
wind of your abode?

Depends on how far upwind.

One idea: If you've ever driven past Gary, Indiana, you would see mile
after mile of abandoned steel mills (that employed thousands, and used to
stink to holy heaven when I was a boy). That would be a perfect location
for a new refinery or ten.

It would be nice if our supposed "oil president" would issue an executive
order mandating construction of new refineries, pronto -- environmental
restrictions be damned. Of course, it would be tied up in the courts for
the next 15 years, and nothing would get done.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"