Rocks Thrown at Border Patrol Chopper

Perhaps we should arm the copter with machine guns and fire back?

No, that would be barbaric.

However, I am continually amazed at the vociferous opposition to actually
controlling our borders. For some reason the ACLU and a host of other
do-gooder organizations find it anathema for America to actually restrict
immigration to legal immigrants only -- a fact that baffles me.

We are friends with a family from Columbia. They came to America the hard
way -- legally -- and have struggled over the last decade with obtaining
green cards for their family members, and with becoming American citizens.
It has been a tough row to hoe, and they are rightfully proud of their
efforts and status.

They are also the most vocally anti-Mexican group of people I have EVER
known. Their attitude toward illegal immigrants borders on Fascist -- they
simply despise them for cheating and taking the easy way -- at what they see
as their expense -- and I am sure they would advocate following this
poster's (I hope) tongue-in-cheek suggestion to arm the border patrol
helicopters with machine guns.

But what is so wrong with stopping illegal immigration? Why is it okay to
fly helicopters up and down the Rio Grande 24/7 -- at huge expense -- but
building a fence is seen as some sort of "Berlin Wall"-type of deal?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Interesting,
The USMC has some very nicely equipped Whiskey Cobras they could send up
with the border patrol, and OH they are stationed right there at MCAS YUMA!

I know where you are coming from Jay, my 1st wife was of hispanic
descent, father Nuevo Laredo, mexico and Mom from Bogota Columbia....and
they did not like the wide open borders either. Though my father in law had
a very good paying job he said the illegals kept the pay down for Mexicans
that were here legally.
They are really good folks and I think very highly of them. Great family
that loved a reason for a fiesta!!!!!

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Perhaps we should arm the copter with machine guns and fire back?

No, that would be barbaric.

However, I am continually amazed at the vociferous opposition to actually
controlling our borders. For some reason the ACLU and a host of other
do-gooder organizations find it anathema for America to actually restrict
immigration to legal immigrants only -- a fact that baffles me.

We are friends with a family from Columbia. They came to America the hard
way -- legally -- and have struggled over the last decade with obtaining
green cards for their family members, and with becoming American citizens.
It has been a tough row to hoe, and they are rightfully proud of their
efforts and status.

They are also the most vocally anti-Mexican group of people I have EVER
known. Their attitude toward illegal immigrants borders on Fascist --
they simply despise them for cheating and taking the easy way -- at what
they see as their expense -- and I am sure they would advocate following
this poster's (I hope) tongue-in-cheek suggestion to arm the border patrol
helicopters with machine guns.

But what is so wrong with stopping illegal immigration? Why is it okay
to fly helicopters up and down the Rio Grande 24/7 -- at huge expense --
but building a fence is seen as some sort of "Berlin Wall"-type of deal?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"W P Dixon" wrote in message
...
Interesting,
The USMC has some very nicely equipped Whiskey Cobras they could send up
with the border patrol, and OH they are stationed right there at MCAS
YUMA!

I know where you are coming from Jay, my 1st wife was of hispanic
descent, father Nuevo Laredo, mexico and Mom from Bogota Columbia....and
they did not like the wide open borders either. Though my father in law
had a very good paying job he said the illegals kept the pay down for
Mexicans that were here legally.

I never thought about that but he was right.
I think the reason they let them in is they are funding our social security
system with phony ID's. They pay in but will never collect.

They are really good folks and I think very highly of them. Great
family that loved a reason for a fiesta!!!!!

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
newsxvPe.282087$_o.58618@attbi_s71...
Perhaps we should arm the copter with machine guns and fire back?

No, that would be barbaric.

However, I am continually amazed at the vociferous opposition to actually
controlling our borders. For some reason the ACLU and a host of other
do-gooder organizations find it anathema for America to actually restrict
immigration to legal immigrants only -- a fact that baffles me.

We are friends with a family from Columbia. They came to America the
hard way -- legally -- and have struggled over the last decade with
obtaining green cards for their family members, and with becoming
American citizens. It has been a tough row to hoe, and they are
rightfully proud of their efforts and status.

They are also the most vocally anti-Mexican group of people I have EVER
known. Their attitude toward illegal immigrants borders on Fascist --
they simply despise them for cheating and taking the easy way -- at what
they see as their expense -- and I am sure they would advocate following
this poster's (I hope) tongue-in-cheek suggestion to arm the border
patrol helicopters with machine guns.

But what is so wrong with stopping illegal immigration? Why is it okay
to fly helicopters up and down the Rio Grande 24/7 -- at huge expense --
but building a fence is seen as some sort of "Berlin Wall"-type of deal?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Aluckyguess wrote:

I think the reason they let them in is they are funding our social security
system with phony ID's. They pay in but will never collect.

The illegals around here don't pay into the Social Security system. They don't
have those types of jobs.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Aluckyguess wrote:

I think the reason they let them in is they are funding our social
security
system with phony ID's. They pay in but will never collect.

The illegals around here don't pay into the Social Security system. They
don't
have those types of jobs.

There's also a bunch of people living near the US-Mexico border that collect
SS checks that never paid a dime into the system. They have a PO box in the
town on the US side of the border and check it once a month.

About ten years ago, I worked with a fellow who had immigrated from the old
USSR just a few months earlier. After a couple months he brought his mother
over and within a month she was drawing SS benefits since she was over 63 or
whatever. Yup...just weeks after hitting the US for the first time.

There's a neat trick practiced about coming to the US when 8 1/2 months
pregnant, then having your delivery here. Kid automatically becomes a US
citizen and Mom is entitled to all sorts of goodies.

I think the reason they let them in is they are funding our social
security
system with phony ID's. They pay in but will never collect.

How?

Illegal immigrants don't pay social security taxes.

In fact, they don't pay taxes at all. That's the problem. They're paid in
cash, under the table. This represents tax-free income to the illegal, and
cheap labor for the employer.

Frankie

"Frankie" wrote in message
k.net...
I think the reason they let them in is they are funding our social
security
system with phony ID's. They pay in but will never collect.

How?

Illegal immigrants don't pay social security taxes.
Sure they do they get a phony ID and then find a job and the employer takes
out the taxes and SSI . The employer doesnt even know they are ilegal.
If the employer finds out he has to fire the employee or he can be fined.


In fact, they don't pay taxes at all. That's the problem. They're paid in
cash, under the table. This represents tax-free income to the illegal, and
cheap labor for the employer.

Frankie

Illegal immigrants don't pay social security taxes.

Sure they do they get a phony ID and then find a job and the employer
takes out the taxes and SSI . The employer doesnt even know they are
ilegal.
If the employer finds out he has to fire the employee or he can be fined.

That's incorrect. We interview Hispanic women all the time (for
housekeeping openings -- their primary source of income, methinks), and
require that each applicant list their Social Security number on their
application.

There is a phone number to call to verify any SS number. If it's not valid,
the person at the other end tells us that "This person should contact the
Social Security Administration, since there is something wrong with their
number." They don't really care if it indicates that the person is an
illegal alien.

In a perfect world, they would send the gendarmes over to arrest the
illegal -- I would be happy to cooperate -- but they have ZERO interest in
doing this. And apparently ZERO contact with any law enforcement agency.

The Federal Government is screwed up far beyond what the average person on
the street can imagine.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

If [the SSN is] not valid,
the person at the other end tells us that "This person should contact the
Social Security Administration, since there is something wrong with their
number." They don't really care if it indicates that the person is an
illegal alien.

In a perfect world, they would send the gendarmes over to arrest the
illegal...

You mean, the same way it works in the ADIZ if ATC makes a boo-boo?

I'm not in support of illegal aliens, but I disagree that "closing the
borders" will solve any of our problems. I also disagree that zero
tolerance is a good solution for anything, be it drugs, work rules,
terror, or aviation errors.

Jose
--
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except there's no God, and there's no dice. And maybe there's no universe.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Jay Honeck wrote:
In a perfect world, they would send the gendarmes over to arrest the
illegal -- I would be happy to cooperate -- but they have ZERO interest in
doing this. And apparently ZERO contact with any law enforcement agency.

Social Security is not Customs and Border Protection nor Immigration.
There are walls put up between the "hands"... deliberately!