Rocks Thrown at Border Patrol Chopper

"Frankie" wrote in message
k.net...
I think the reason they let them in is they are funding our social
security
system with phony ID's. They pay in but will never collect.

How?

Illegal immigrants don't pay social security taxes.
Sure they do they get a phony ID and then find a job and the employer takes
out the taxes and SSI . The employer doesnt even know they are ilegal.
If the employer finds out he has to fire the employee or he can be fined.


In fact, they don't pay taxes at all. That's the problem. They're paid in
cash, under the table. This represents tax-free income to the illegal, and
cheap labor for the employer.

Frankie

Illegal immigrants don't pay social security taxes.

Sure they do they get a phony ID and then find a job and the employer
takes out the taxes and SSI . The employer doesnt even know they are
ilegal.
If the employer finds out he has to fire the employee or he can be fined.

That's incorrect. We interview Hispanic women all the time (for
housekeeping openings -- their primary source of income, methinks), and
require that each applicant list their Social Security number on their
application.

There is a phone number to call to verify any SS number. If it's not valid,
the person at the other end tells us that "This person should contact the
Social Security Administration, since there is something wrong with their
number." They don't really care if it indicates that the person is an
illegal alien.

In a perfect world, they would send the gendarmes over to arrest the
illegal -- I would be happy to cooperate -- but they have ZERO interest in
doing this. And apparently ZERO contact with any law enforcement agency.

The Federal Government is screwed up far beyond what the average person on
the street can imagine.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

If [the SSN is] not valid,
the person at the other end tells us that "This person should contact the
Social Security Administration, since there is something wrong with their
number." They don't really care if it indicates that the person is an
illegal alien.

In a perfect world, they would send the gendarmes over to arrest the
illegal...

You mean, the same way it works in the ADIZ if ATC makes a boo-boo?

I'm not in support of illegal aliens, but I disagree that "closing the
borders" will solve any of our problems. I also disagree that zero
tolerance is a good solution for anything, be it drugs, work rules,
terror, or aviation errors.

Jose
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I'm not in support of illegal aliens, but I disagree that "closing the
borders" will solve any of our problems.

It's not "closing the borders" -- it's "controlling the borders" -- and you
don't think that doing so will solve ANY of our problems?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

It's not "closing the borders" -- it's "controlling the borders" -- and you
don't think that doing so will solve ANY of our problems?

No.

Jose
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"Jose" wrote in message
...
If [the SSN is] not valid, the person at the other end tells us that
"This person should contact the Social Security Administration, since
there is something wrong with their number." They don't really care if
it indicates that the person is an illegal alien.

In a perfect world, they would send the gendarmes over to arrest the
illegal...

You mean, the same way it works in the ADIZ if ATC makes a boo-boo?

I'm not in support of illegal aliens, but I disagree that "closing the
borders" will solve any of our problems. I also disagree that zero
tolerance is a good solution for anything, be it drugs, work rules,
terror, or aviation errors.

Jose
--
Quantum Mechanics is like this: God =does= play dice with the universe,
except there's no God, and there's no dice. And maybe there's no
universe.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Jose's Aircraft INC,....come on down and let our dopehead mechs rebuild the engine on your Cessna! Take a ride with the drunk CFI for the thrill of your life! Come fly with us as we smuggle terrorists into the country! But wait ...sorry we can't ...we don't have any work rules and no one has shown up

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Never mind the expense and risk of smuggling in terrorists - use the
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But wait... sorry, we can't... there's an embargo on ideas.

Jose
--
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Jay Honeck wrote:
In a perfect world, they would send the gendarmes over to arrest the
illegal -- I would be happy to cooperate -- but they have ZERO interest in
doing this. And apparently ZERO contact with any law enforcement agency.

Social Security is not Customs and Border Protection nor Immigration.
There are walls put up between the "hands"... deliberately!

"john smith" wrote in message
.. .
Jay Honeck wrote:
In a perfect world, they would send the gendarmes over to arrest the
illegal -- I would be happy to cooperate -- but they have ZERO interest
in doing this. And apparently ZERO contact with any law enforcement
agency.

Social Security is not Customs and Border Protection nor Immigration.
There are walls put up between the "hands"... deliberately!


When a employee is hired they must complete an I-9 to prove they are legal
to work in the US. This form had the Dept of Justice written at the top
until very recently. Now it has Dept. of Homeland Security on it. All the
DOH would have to do to enforce the immigration laws is require employers to
report anyone who can't produce the ID required for the form.

When a employee is hired they must complete an I-9 to prove they are legal
to work in the US. This form had the Dept of Justice written at the top
until very recently. Now it has Dept. of Homeland Security on it. All the
DOH would have to do to enforce the immigration laws is require employers to
report anyone who can't produce the ID required for the form.

The civil libertarians would have a bird.

Imagine, employers actually being required to report applicants that
are in the country illegally? Or, better yet, requiring prison time
for those employers who knowingly hire them? Dang, I'll bet we'd have
the problem solved in a matter of weeks.

As an employer, however, I can understand how some would find the
mandatory nature of this law to be an onerous burden -- but what I
don't understand is why (in the short term) we can't make reporting
voluntary?

At the moment, when I discover that an applicant is illegal, I have no
where to turn with that information. Who do I call? The State Patrol?
The police? Ghost Busters? No one seems to care.

It's a stupid, screwed-up system that could be fixed by changing less
than five relatively minor things. Why can't we get this right?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"