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Farmers were upset in Arizona. They did a crack down and there were not
enough laborers to pick the fields. I heard they eased up a bit to help them
out.

"Aluckyguess" wrote in message
...

Farmers were upset in Arizona. They did a crack down and there were not
enough laborers to pick the fields. I heard they eased up a bit to help
them
out.

There's plenty of laborers; they get migrant worker (temporary)permits (??)
easily.


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Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

Matt Barrow wrote:

There's plenty of laborers; they get migrant worker (temporary)permits (??)
easily.

Not this year. Apparently, someone at immigration decided these guys were easy
targets and did a big roundup. You are correct that they have permits and were
actually legal, but that didn't change anything. By the time the workers made it
back across the border and into the fields, a big chunk of this year's harvest
was lost.

NPR was interviewing a California peach grower yesterday about the situation (I
think it was on "All Things Considered"). His crop has a relatively short
harvest season, and the roundup didn't hit him too badly, but he still had tons
of fruit rot in the fields.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

.... By the time the workers made it back across the
border and into the fields, a big chunk of this year's harvest
was lost.

NPR was interviewing a California peach grower ....
...he still had tons of fruit rot in the fields.

My heart bleeds....

Please, what's really going on here is that the employer (farmer, grower,
whatever) was too cheap to hire more labor to come in and finish the job. I
believe many employers do this intentionally to protest the cut-off of their
cheap labor supply.

The implication is that the American economy will somehow shut down if we
don't allow illegal immigration, when all that's really needed is for
employers to be more responsible.

Frankie

Frankie wrote:

The implication is that the American economy will somehow shut down if we
don't allow illegal immigration, when all that's really needed is for
employers to be more responsible.

You must have missed the point that these workers are *not* illegal, nor or they
immigrants. They are temporary workers who have permits to allow them to come in
for the season.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

You must have missed the point that these workers are *not* illegal..

Oops...my mistake.

But I still think the employers are being cheap, and my point still applies
in a thread about illegals.

Frankie

But I still think the employers are being cheap, and my point still applies
in a thread about illegals.

All employers are cheap, and all employees are mercenary. That's how
the system works.

Jose
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except there's no God, and there's no dice. And maybe there's no universe.
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Frankie wrote:
My heart bleeds....

Please, what's really going on here is that the employer (farmer, grower,
whatever) was too cheap to hire more labor to come in and finish the job. I
believe many employers do this intentionally to protest the cut-off of their
cheap labor supply.

Exactly... and most Americans are too cheap to pay what it would REALLY cost
to buy food, a home or most other things (except automobiles) if real actual
citizens did the work and got paid a fair wage for the work.

LAbor is just at the bottom of the food chain... Govenment is at the top.. it
sucks at all the money from everyone's pockets from the laborer to the larges
corporations, their stockholders (lots of retired people) and the CEOs.

kontiki ) wrote:
:
: Exactly... and most Americans are too cheap to pay what it would REALLY
: cost to buy food, a home or most other things (except automobiles) if real
: actual citizens did the work and got paid a fair wage for the work.
:

U.S. school teachers are now targets of the Cheap Labor Lobby:

http://www.vdare.com/guzzardi/050826_vfl.htm
VDARE.com: 08/26/05 - View From Lodi, CA:
Look Out Teachers; The H-1B Visa Gang Wants Your Job

``...Rob Sanchez, who tracks non-immigrant visa issues and is the
Webmaster for the invaluable www.zazona.com, says school districts
fail to look at unemployed local professionals. Many laid off software
engineers, for example, have gone back to school to get education degrees.

Wrote Sanchez in his August 3rd newsletter:

"School districts all over the United States are actively recruiting
foreign teachers for our schools. In this case, Filipino math and
science teachers on H-1B visas have just arrived in Nevada.

I have talked to many engineers and programmers that have been unable
to get teaching jobs in math and science, despite the fact that they
went back to school to get education degrees. Despite the growing
number of desperate unemployed high-tech workers states like Nevada
still claim there is a shortage of these types of teachers. This is
just another cruel insult to the growing number of highly educated
professionals that can't find meaningful work."

[snip]

If you wonder why the attraction to H-1Bs is so strong, read
the 2004 National Education Association report Trends in Foreign Teacher
Recruitment.

From the NEA report:

"...Some foreign teachers receive lower pay than comparable teachers
in their schools."

And:

"...Some school districts pay their nonimmigrant employees as new
teachers, regardless of their experience and qualifications."...''



--Jerry Leslie
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"leslie" wrote in message
.. .
kontiki ) wrote:
:
: Exactly... and most Americans are too cheap to pay what it would REALLY
: cost to buy food, a home or most other things (except automobiles) if
real
: actual citizens did the work and got paid a fair wage for the work.
:

U.S. school teachers are now targets of the Cheap Labor Lobby:

I know here in California we need to get rid of the pensions the teachers
fireman and such are getting. They should save like the rest of us, or even
have a simple 401k. People are living to long they retire @52 collect 75% of
thier pay for 30 years or more. There is no way we can keep asking the
normal taxpayer to keep paying more taxes.

http://www.vdare.com/guzzardi/050826_vfl.htm
VDARE.com: 08/26/05 - View From Lodi, CA:
Look Out Teachers; The H-1B Visa Gang Wants Your Job

``...Rob Sanchez, who tracks non-immigrant visa issues and is the
Webmaster for the invaluable www.zazona.com, says school districts
fail to look at unemployed local professionals. Many laid off software
engineers, for example, have gone back to school to get education
degrees.

Wrote Sanchez in his August 3rd newsletter:

"School districts all over the United States are actively recruiting
foreign teachers for our schools. In this case, Filipino math and
science teachers on H-1B visas have just arrived in Nevada.

I have talked to many engineers and programmers that have been unable
to get teaching jobs in math and science, despite the fact that they
went back to school to get education degrees. Despite the growing
number of desperate unemployed high-tech workers states like Nevada
still claim there is a shortage of these types of teachers. This is
just another cruel insult to the growing number of highly educated
professionals that can't find meaningful work."

[snip]

If you wonder why the attraction to H-1Bs is so strong, read
the 2004 National Education Association report Trends in Foreign Teacher
Recruitment.

From the NEA report:

"...Some foreign teachers receive lower pay than comparable teachers
in their schools."

And:

"...Some school districts pay their nonimmigrant employees as new
teachers, regardless of their experience and qualifications."...''



--Jerry Leslie
Note: is invalid for email