Rocks Thrown at Border Patrol Chopper

"Matt Barrow" wrote

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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There is something ironic about US citizens whose families have lived
here for less than 400 years complaining about illegal immigrants...

Yes, there is. But never before have new immigrants so arrogantly
*expected* everything to be handed to them on a silver platter.

And which codified law did the immigrants 150-400 year ago break? Which
property laws did they break?

The law that states that they who have the guns determine the borders. And
then demand money from everyone within to manage their lives. The
immigrants *made* the GD property laws. Think.

moo

On 2005-08-27, Jay Honeck wrote:
they certainly would never have dreamed of all the bi-lingual crap we must
deal with every day, from ATMs to voice mail systems.

Nothing wrong with multi-lingual ATMs - it's easy, it's just done in
software. I rather like it on the very occasional visit I make to
France. In fact, the ATMs here won't ask you a language if your bank
card is recognised as local.

Let me describe this issue in cold economic facts, rather than the emotion
of English versus Spanish: For every million shoppers who must spend an
average of 3 seconds (probably far longer) trying to figure out which button
to push (Spanish or English), that is 34.7 DAYS spent wasting everyone's
time in line, making a stupid, unnecessary choice.

No it isn't. Most people have realised by now you can swipe your card
whilst the checker is scanning the goods. Therefore the tasks are
happening in paralell - unless it takes you SO LONG to make that
selection that the checker beats you scanning the items.

In any case, it certainly doesn't take me 3 seconds to choose the
language. It's hardly something that needs "figuring out" unless you're
functionally illiterate.

The people who are really wasting time are those who insist on paying
for $3 worth of groceries with a check!

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This is AMERICA, and the language here is
ENGLISH -- and I shouldn't have to TELL THEM THAT.

This is America, where citizens don't want to learn anything anymore,
not another language, not enough mathematics to add a hamburger and
fries without a computer, not world geography or culture, where weather
reports have all but become smiley faces and frowney faces because
nobody knows or cares what an isobar is, where from day one people are
taught to "feel good" about their underachievement, and where people
expect fifty dollars an hour to attach bolts on an assembly line when
someone in China will do for fifty cents and be grateful for the
opportunity. And we have the audacity to be indignant.

For every million shoppers who must spend an
average of 3 seconds (probably far longer) trying to figure out which button
to push (Spanish or English), that is 34.7 DAYS spent wasting everyone's
time in line, making a stupid, unnecessary choice.

(1,000,000 x 3 seconds = 3,000,000 seconds divided by 60 = 50,000 minutes
divided by 60 = 833.33 hours divided by 24 = 34.7 days)

The choice is unnecessary to =you= because =you= believe it should be
arranged for =your= comfort and convenience. What about "paper or
plastic" (or skip the bag, If I need a bag to hold a roll of film while
I walk to the car I shouldn't be shopping), "cash or credit", "credit or
debit", "would you like fries with that", and "your call is important to
us".

You're on the wrong boat.

Jose
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"grubertm" wrote in message
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There is something ironic about US citizens whose families have lived
here for less than 400 years complaining about illegal immigrants...

What law did those immigrants, 400 years ago, violate?

Anyway, the very real reason why no politician is willing to touch this
issue is because the US economy has become dependent on cheap illegal
labor.

Can you site the percentage of the US economy that interacts with illegal
labor?

(I suspect you're merely barfing back some phrases your teachers and the MSM
have been upchucking for years).

("Matt Barrow" wrote)
Can you site the percentage of the US economy that interacts with illegal
labor?


Illegal labor is a much bigger problem than people realize. If the
government says the number is 5 million, then the number is 25 million!!

Mexicans are EVERYWHERE. MOST are illegal. The US immigration system has
imploded on its bureaucratic self.

This country has built up an infrastructure over 150 years. Millions of
Mexicans have invaded the US to get a piece of that infrastructure. Booty
isn't always hauled away by an invading army.


Montblack

Montblack wrote:
Illegal labor is a much bigger problem than people realize. If the
government says the number is 5 million, then the number is 25 million!!

Mexicans are EVERYWHERE. MOST are illegal. The US immigration system has
imploded on its bureaucratic self.

This country has built up an infrastructure over 150 years. Millions of
Mexicans have invaded the US to get a piece of that infrastructure.
Booty isn't always hauled away by an invading army.

Exactly. It amazes me that people people can justify the concept if illegal
labor because it is [supposedly] keeping the cost of goods down. In the end
this is a bad thing... not only is this just not really true but like wage
and price controls it results in problems down the road. If you honestly
add up all of the costs (to every single working citizen) of providing all
the social services to this sea of illegal, like health care and educating
their children you would be shocked. This cost is not honestly being considered
as tacked on to just living in the united states.

We must also consider the long term effects to a society that literally
encourages the dilution of its existing culture. Immigrants years ago
generally worked harder at "becoming" Americans... learning the language
and becoming part of the American dream. This is much less so these days.

Personally I believe it is because these illegals are not required to
make any investment in America... they just show up, make money and get
free stuff. Being a citizen should be more like being a stockholder in
a corporation. If you are not willing to purchase any shares... well.. no vote.

If you honestly
add up all of the costs (to every single working citizen) of providing all
the social services to this sea of illegal, like health care and educating
their children you would be shocked. This cost is not honestly being considered
as tacked on to just living in the united states.

This is true of social services to citizens too.

Jose
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"Montblack" wrote:

Mexicans are EVERYWHERE. MOST are illegal. The US immigration system
has imploded on its bureaucratic self.

This is allowed because business wants cheap immigrant labor and
business owns the politicians of both parties. Do not expect anything
meaningful to be done about it. (BTW, ironically, Mexico has its own
problems with illegal Central American immigrants).

This country has built up an infrastructure over 150 years. Millions
of Mexicans have invaded the US to get a piece of that infrastructure.
Booty isn't always hauled away by an invading army.

That's an interesting way of looking at it. I happen to believe we
(American taxpayers) are getting value for our money because the cheap
labor keeps prices down for food, construction, domestic maintenance,
food service, hospitality, etc. Nevertheless, out-of-control illegal
immigration is a bad thing, IMO, because of the overloads it places on
the infrastructure you mention and the impact it has on American society
and culture in general.

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Dan
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"Dan Luke" wrote:

That's an interesting way of looking at it. I happen to believe we
(American taxpayers) are getting value for our money because the cheap
labor keeps prices down for food, construction, domestic maintenance,
food service, hospitality, etc.

unless, of course, you have a business that is competing with those that
hire illegal workers.

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule

Ash Wyllie wrote:

3) A guest worker program.

They already have the guest worker program.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.