Rocks Thrown at Border Patrol Chopper

"grubertm" wrote in message
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There is something ironic about US citizens whose families have lived
here for less than 400 years complaining about illegal immigrants...

What law did those immigrants, 400 years ago, violate?

Anyway, the very real reason why no politician is willing to touch this
issue is because the US economy has become dependent on cheap illegal
labor.

Can you site the percentage of the US economy that interacts with illegal
labor?

(I suspect you're merely barfing back some phrases your teachers and the MSM
have been upchucking for years).

("Matt Barrow" wrote)
Can you site the percentage of the US economy that interacts with illegal
labor?


Illegal labor is a much bigger problem than people realize. If the
government says the number is 5 million, then the number is 25 million!!

Mexicans are EVERYWHERE. MOST are illegal. The US immigration system has
imploded on its bureaucratic self.

This country has built up an infrastructure over 150 years. Millions of
Mexicans have invaded the US to get a piece of that infrastructure. Booty
isn't always hauled away by an invading army.


Montblack

Montblack wrote:
Illegal labor is a much bigger problem than people realize. If the
government says the number is 5 million, then the number is 25 million!!

Mexicans are EVERYWHERE. MOST are illegal. The US immigration system has
imploded on its bureaucratic self.

This country has built up an infrastructure over 150 years. Millions of
Mexicans have invaded the US to get a piece of that infrastructure.
Booty isn't always hauled away by an invading army.

Exactly. It amazes me that people people can justify the concept if illegal
labor because it is [supposedly] keeping the cost of goods down. In the end
this is a bad thing... not only is this just not really true but like wage
and price controls it results in problems down the road. If you honestly
add up all of the costs (to every single working citizen) of providing all
the social services to this sea of illegal, like health care and educating
their children you would be shocked. This cost is not honestly being considered
as tacked on to just living in the united states.

We must also consider the long term effects to a society that literally
encourages the dilution of its existing culture. Immigrants years ago
generally worked harder at "becoming" Americans... learning the language
and becoming part of the American dream. This is much less so these days.

Personally I believe it is because these illegals are not required to
make any investment in America... they just show up, make money and get
free stuff. Being a citizen should be more like being a stockholder in
a corporation. If you are not willing to purchase any shares... well.. no vote.

If you honestly
add up all of the costs (to every single working citizen) of providing all
the social services to this sea of illegal, like health care and educating
their children you would be shocked. This cost is not honestly being considered
as tacked on to just living in the united states.

This is true of social services to citizens too.

Jose
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Jose wrote:

This is true of social services to citizens too.

We are in total agreement. Take away all the freebies and watch
supposedly non-productive people start taking more responsibility
for their own lives. Likewise, see a reduction in illegals efforts
to come here for freebies.

When you get something for nothing you seldome appreciate its value.
This is a lesson governemnt never learns.

This is true of social services to citizens too.

We are in total agreement. Take away all the freebies and watch
supposedly non-productive people start...

We're not in total agreement. We both agree that social services are an
unaccounted cost in many analyses, and it can be very deceptive when
they are omitted.

However, they also have unaccounted benefits, which accrue not only to
direct recipients, but also indirectly to others. Social services are
not bad in and of themselves. SOME social services are overall harmful,
SOME social services could be overall beneficial but are administrated
in a harmful manner, and SOME social services are in fact overall
harmful no matter how they are handled. We will probably agree on which
are which to some extent too, but it's not a slam dunk either way.

Jose
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"Montblack" wrote:

Mexicans are EVERYWHERE. MOST are illegal. The US immigration system
has imploded on its bureaucratic self.

This is allowed because business wants cheap immigrant labor and
business owns the politicians of both parties. Do not expect anything
meaningful to be done about it. (BTW, ironically, Mexico has its own
problems with illegal Central American immigrants).

This country has built up an infrastructure over 150 years. Millions
of Mexicans have invaded the US to get a piece of that infrastructure.
Booty isn't always hauled away by an invading army.

That's an interesting way of looking at it. I happen to believe we
(American taxpayers) are getting value for our money because the cheap
labor keeps prices down for food, construction, domestic maintenance,
food service, hospitality, etc. Nevertheless, out-of-control illegal
immigration is a bad thing, IMO, because of the overloads it places on
the infrastructure you mention and the impact it has on American society
and culture in general.

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

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"Dan Luke" wrote:

That's an interesting way of looking at it. I happen to believe we
(American taxpayers) are getting value for our money because the cheap
labor keeps prices down for food, construction, domestic maintenance,
food service, hospitality, etc.

unless, of course, you have a business that is competing with those that
hire illegal workers.

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule