Stop whining, America!

Wave height is only one factor. Distance between waves is even more
important. I'll take a 50 foot ocean wave over a 25 foot Great Lakes wave
any day.

"W P Dixon" wrote in message
...
Dying isn't what the man said, he said get green. Big difference. An
experienced sailor can die in Cherokee Lake making a mistake. But he will
be
a hell of alot less likely to make that mistake than your normal run of
the
mill, put the bass boat in the water type. I am not disputing storms in
the
Great Lakes at all, just disputing the strenght as compared to the sea's
fury.
Just some wave info on the Great Lakes,

Rogue waves are not exclusively an ocean phenomena. The National Oceanic
and
Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) has recorded rogue wave patterns
occurring
frequently on the Great Lakes. Storm wave patterns on Lake Superior in the
winter occasionally reach 26 feet and could create a rogue wave over 57
feet
based on NOAA's observations. One of the theories behind the tragic
sinking
of the famous freighter Edmund Fitzgerald is that she was downed by a
rogue
wave during a major storm on Lake Superior back in November 1975. No one
will know for sure as everyone perished. from an article in Boat/US
Magazine

("Dave Stadt" wrote)
Wave height is only one factor. Distance between waves is even more
important. I'll take a 50 foot ocean wave over a 25 foot Great Lakes wave
any day.


Plus there's something about water density - Superior's fresh water vs.
ocean salt water - and how that factors into the makeup of the waves.

I've been hunting online for the video of an ore ship on Superior, its bow
twisting and bending in a rough Great Lakes storm. I love Lake Superior, big
ships and waves ...I was awestruck by the sight I saw on that video.

We rent a cabin "on" Superior every year...

Fun site:
http://www.duluthshippingnews.com/
If you like the big boats you can spend hours lost in the links :-)


Montblack

Ships are designed to flex. Remember back in WWII when Kaiser was building
liberty ships, it was a problem because Kaiser had the entire thing welded
up tight, versus riveted. He built them a heck of alot faster, but a few
sank because they could not flex. It wasn't really considered something to
change because we needed the transport ships bad and they were not expected
to last a long time during the war, because they were sitting ducks in the
water. Just one of those useless tidbits of info!
Watching a video of a helicopter main rotor twist and bend, as well as a
commercial jets wings flexing is pretty cool too!
Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech

"Montblack" wrote in message
...
("Dave Stadt" wrote)
Wave height is only one factor. Distance between waves is even more
important. I'll take a 50 foot ocean wave over a 25 foot Great Lakes
wave
any day.


Plus there's something about water density - Superior's fresh water vs.
ocean salt water - and how that factors into the makeup of the waves.

I've been hunting online for the video of an ore ship on Superior, its bow
twisting and bending in a rough Great Lakes storm. I love Lake Superior,
big ships and waves ...I was awestruck by the sight I saw on that video.

We rent a cabin "on" Superior every year...

Fun site:
http://www.duluthshippingnews.com/
If you like the big boats you can spend hours lost in the links :-)


Montblack

On 2005-08-28, W P Dixon wrote:
Ships are designed to flex. Remember back in WWII when Kaiser was building
liberty ships, it was a problem because Kaiser had the entire thing welded

I went on the Jerimah O'Brien (a Liberty ship) a few weeks ago in San
Fransisco. I thought it was a static museum ship until I went on board
and discovered they still sail it. The engine room was very impressive.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

That's cool,
I'd love to go on one! Not a welded one if one exist! My Grandpa and
Aunt both built Liberty ships in Brunswick , GA during the war. He was
alittle to old to go fight, and I guess the US did not want my Aunt to whip
the enemy single handed...she was a fiesty lass! HAHA

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech

"Dylan Smith" wrote in message
...
On 2005-08-28, W P Dixon wrote:
Ships are designed to flex. Remember back in WWII when Kaiser was
building
liberty ships, it was a problem because Kaiser had the entire thing
welded

I went on the Jerimah O'Brien (a Liberty ship) a few weeks ago in San
Fransisco. I thought it was a static museum ship until I went on board
and discovered they still sail it. The engine room was very impressive.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

In article ,
Dylan Smith wrote:
On 2005-08-28, W P Dixon wrote:
Ships are designed to flex. Remember back in WWII when Kaiser was building
liberty ships, it was a problem because Kaiser had the entire thing welded

I went on the Jerimah O'Brien (a Liberty ship) a few weeks ago in San
Fransisco. I thought it was a static museum ship until I went on board
and discovered they still sail it. The engine room was very impressive.

Aerial photos of the Jerimah O'Brien under steam:

http://www.clear-prop.org/fly-05-22-05/ (start at #1260)

John
--
John Clear - http://www.clear-prop.org/

Great!,
thanks for the pics link! I enjoyed going to the O'Brien website and
reading about it. If I ever go to San Fran I would go see her before doing
anything else!

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech

"John Clear" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Dylan Smith wrote:
On 2005-08-28, W P Dixon wrote:
Ships are designed to flex. Remember back in WWII when Kaiser was
building
liberty ships, it was a problem because Kaiser had the entire thing
welded

I went on the Jerimah O'Brien (a Liberty ship) a few weeks ago in San
Fransisco. I thought it was a static museum ship until I went on board
and discovered they still sail it. The engine room was very impressive.

Aerial photos of the Jerimah O'Brien under steam:

http://www.clear-prop.org/fly-05-22-05/ (start at #1260)

John
--
John Clear - http://www.clear-prop.org/

On 2005-08-29, W P Dixon wrote:
Great!,
thanks for the pics link! I enjoyed going to the O'Brien website and
reading about it. If I ever go to San Fran I would go see her before doing
anything else!

There's also a world war II submarine moored there. That's worth
visiting too.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

W P Dixon wrote:
Ships are designed to flex. Remember back in WWII when Kaiser was
building liberty ships, it was a problem because Kaiser had the entire
thing welded up tight, versus riveted. He built them a heck of alot
faster, but a few sank because they could not flex.

Except that your explanation above isn't even close to correct. Do a
quick search, that reason for the failure of the liberty ships is easy
to find. It had to do with poor welds and substandard steel and the
fact that welds won't stop the propogation of cracks the way that rivet
holes will. ALL structures flex under load, doesn't matter if they are
riveted, welded, nailed, screwed or glued. A structure can't support a
load until it deflects to at least some degree.


Matt