Stop whining, America!

The economy is grand,

huh?

Compared to what my parents lived through, our economy is the epitome of
efficiency and success.

business is sky-high,

really? where?

Here!

plane is running great, and gas is still 1/3 of what our counterparts
in Europe are paying

and most of the price difference is tax. but you also have to calculate
what our government indirectly pays for us using our tax money and what
you
have to pay on your own using your own money.

I already pay taxes on everything -- including the air I'm breathing. The
last thing we need is more taxes.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 13:22:19 GMT, Jay Honeck wrote:

I already pay taxes on everything -- including the air I'm breathing.

what'S the name of this tax? The Iowa breathing tax? 'Breath less, save
money!' :-)

The last thing we need is more taxes.

what you might need are oecological [sp?] taxes: higher taxes on (fuel)
inefficient houses/cars/whatever and benefits for insulation, fuel
efficient cars, car sharing, etc. - then, when you use all the benefits you
should come out ahead - money wise, at least it should be cost-neutral.
those who don't improve their houses etc. will pay more.
but this should then also be true for the whole country; this is one idea
of the Kyoto treaty, IMHO. it might not be perfect, but it is a start.

and saving energy is also an economic argument: you aren't that dependent
on energy. if you have to spent less on heating/cooling at your hotel
because of a new insulation, then you won't have many problems on keeping
your rates constant. But you will have to increase your room rates when
your costs for heating/cooling rises 20 or 30%.

#m

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most experts agree, is by accident. That's where we
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and saving energy is also an economic argument: you aren't that dependent
on energy.

Not! Our largest expense every month is for electricity and gas.
During our recent heat wave, I paid over $4000 to air condition our
three 3-story buildings -- for the single month of July.

It's usually around $3K per month. And that has gone up 30% since we
bought the place in 2002. (And we have NOT raised rates since we
opened.)


if you have to spent less on heating/cooling at your hotel
because of a new insulation, then you won't have many problems on keeping
your rates constant. But you will have to increase your room rates when
your costs for heating/cooling rises 20 or 30%.

Sadly, the energy companies have seen fit to continually raise rates,
even before the recent run-up of oil prices, and we (as a nation)
continue to ignore the relatively cheap energy alternatives.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On 27 Aug 2005 11:03:59 -0700, Jay Honeck wrote:

and saving energy is also an economic argument: you aren't that dependent
on energy.

Not! Our largest expense every month is for electricity and gas.

I meant: after saving energy (with using better insulation, for example),
THEN you aren't that dependent on energy any longer.

During our recent heat wave, I paid over $4000 to air condition our
three 3-story buildings -- for the single month of July.

hmm. don't you think it's time to insulate the building and look for
windows that are state of the art - technology-wise?

It's usually around $3K per month. And that has gone up 30% since we
bought the place in 2002. (And we have NOT raised rates since we
opened.)

so you are eating all the losses (inflation not calculated)


if you have to spent less on heating/cooling at your hotel
because of a new insulation, then you won't have many problems on keeping
your rates constant. But you will have to increase your room rates when
your costs for heating/cooling rises 20 or 30%.

Sadly, the energy companies have seen fit to continually raise rates,
even before the recent run-up of oil prices, and we (as a nation)
continue to ignore the relatively cheap energy alternatives.

... but this is not really news, is it?

#m
--
The most likely way for the world to be destroyed,
most experts agree, is by accident. That's where we
come in; we're computer professionals. We cause accidents.
-- Nathaniel Borenstein

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:24:41 +0200, Martin Hotze
wrote:


I meant: after saving energy (with using better insulation, for example),
THEN you aren't that dependent on energy any longer.


When I built my house, I went to the extra expense of getting it TVA
certified (Tennessee Valley Authorithy). They had a program where I
could get sort of a rebate for the extra cost. The rationale for that
was that they would need less generating capacity if new homes were
insulated and other stuff.

Well, our local power distributer here has changed my electric meter 3
times because they couldn't believe that I was using so little
electricity.

Now, they've calibrated the meter to put me equal to the neighbors.

Mike Weller

Now, they've calibrated the meter to put me equal to the neighbors.

In other words, they cheated? Why not calibrate your payments?

Jose
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except there's no God, and there's no dice. And maybe there's no universe.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Jose wrote:

Now, they've calibrated the meter to put me equal to the neighbors.

In other words, they cheated? Why not calibrate your payments?

Add another meter in the line to compare the readings...

Not! Our largest expense every month is for electricity and gas.
During our recent heat wave, I paid over $4000 to air condition our
three 3-story buildings -- for the single month of July.

Is that violins I hear?

It's usually around $3K per month. And that has gone up 30% since we
bought the place in 2002. (And we have NOT raised rates since we
opened.)

Sadly, the energy companies have seen fit to continually raise rates,
even before the recent run-up of oil prices, and we (as a nation)
continue to ignore the relatively cheap energy alternatives.

I suggest you go fly instead of whine

"JH" == Jay Honeck writes:

JH Compared to what my parents lived through, our economy is the
JH epitome of efficiency and success.

Perhaps our parents were investing in infrastructure, and we're simply
using it. Thus the apparent efficiency.

Our parents in the 1950s and '60s invested in the Interstate Highway
System, basic electronics research and funding, a great higher
educational system, water and sewage systems, and an expensive
military. Most of this was paid for with taxes and we got good return
on investment because that tax money was used to pay for
something--basic infrastructure--which would improve the general
economy.

Now our neocon society whines about taxes while spending gobs of money
on such life necessities as pet food, Indian and Nevada gambling,
expensive home theatre setups, huge SUVs and huge homes, etc and so
forth. But we object to funding new transportation systems, new
energy systems, and other infrastructure which would pay off for our
children.

But, what to expect from a group--religous neocons--that think it's OK
to asassinate democratically elected national leaders, that
"intelligent design" is an intelligent concept, that changes their
reason for invading and occupying other countries multiple times when
the evidence doesn't support their previous reasons?

A lot of Americans have an uneasy sense that we're running on fumes.

A lot of Americans have an uneasy sense that we're running on fumes.

It's kind of funny that we come to the same conclusion for entirely
different reasons.

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"