Repercussions for people outside New Orleans

wrote:
What 99.5% of people fail to understand is that without getting certain
parts of the infrstructure back online, it won't matter how much crude
you release from the national reserves because the refining and
delivery system won't be online.

Exactly. If nothing else, this should demonstrate to people just how
thin our supply lines really er... for evrything, not just gasoline.
I have often said that we are now just a disater away from anarchy,
and this hiurricane shows illustrates that.

Listen up people, it is WAY past time for us to develop more of our
own oil reserves and build another refinery (at least). We are now
seeing the absolute total folly of not building required infrastructure
to support our current economic lifestyles.

Personally, if I were in a position of responsibility and had failed
so miserably at maintaining adequate facilities and preparing contingent
operations I should FIRED.... perion, end of story.

Listen up people, it is WAY past time for us to develop more of our
own oil reserves and build another refinery (at least). We are now
seeing the absolute total folly of not building required infrastructure
to support our current economic lifestyles.

Personally, if I were in a position of responsibility and had failed
so miserably at maintaining adequate facilities and preparing contingent
operations I should FIRED.... perion, end of story.

They can't maintain contingent operations, because they can't build new
refineries -- period.

Look at the environmental laws that restrict refineries. Look at the number
of refineries built since those laws hit the books.

It ain't a coincidence, and anyone who says that the "free market" is at
work here just hasn't looked at the problem.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:XpERe.80402$084.49625@attbi_s22...
Listen up people, it is WAY past time for us to develop more of our
own oil reserves and build another refinery (at least). We are now
seeing the absolute total folly of not building required infrastructure
to support our current economic lifestyles.

Personally, if I were in a position of responsibility and had failed
so miserably at maintaining adequate facilities and preparing contingent
operations I should FIRED.... perion, end of story.

They can't maintain contingent operations, because they can't build new
refineries -- period.

Look at the environmental laws that restrict refineries. Look at the
number of refineries built since those laws hit the books.

It ain't a coincidence, and anyone who says that the "free market" is at
work here just hasn't looked at the problem.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


What laws are you talking about?

Mike
MU-2

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:XpERe.80402$084.49625@attbi_s22...
Listen up people, it is WAY past time for us to develop more of our
own oil reserves and build another refinery (at least). We are now
seeing the absolute total folly of not building required infrastructure
to support our current economic lifestyles.

Personally, if I were in a position of responsibility and had failed
so miserably at maintaining adequate facilities and preparing contingent
operations I should FIRED.... perion, end of story.

They can't maintain contingent operations, because they can't build new
refineries -- period.

Look at the environmental laws that restrict refineries. Look at the
number of refineries built since those laws hit the books.

It ain't a coincidence, and anyone who says that the "free market" is at
work here just hasn't looked at the problem.

The free market is at work which is why Europe is facing higher gas prices
as US buyers come looking for gas.

Personally I would shut them out and say if you were not buying from us
before go away, and leave the US to rot this time but money always wins out.

"Chris" wrote in message
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:XpERe.80402$084.49625@attbi_s22...
Listen up people, it is WAY past time for us to develop more of our
own oil reserves and build another refinery (at least). We are now
seeing the absolute total folly of not building required infrastructure
to support our current economic lifestyles.

Personally, if I were in a position of responsibility and had failed
so miserably at maintaining adequate facilities and preparing contingent
operations I should FIRED.... perion, end of story.

They can't maintain contingent operations, because they can't build new
refineries -- period.

Look at the environmental laws that restrict refineries. Look at the
number of refineries built since those laws hit the books.

It ain't a coincidence, and anyone who says that the "free market" is at
work here just hasn't looked at the problem.

The free market is at work which is why Europe is facing higher gas prices
as US buyers come looking for gas.

Personally I would shut them out and say if you were not buying from us
before go away, and leave the US to rot this time but money always wins
out.


Actually if you owned the gasoline or worked for the people who owned it,
you would sell it to those who were willing to pay the most for it. You
would do this because you would know that there is somebody somewhere on the
planet that would be willing to sell to the US buyers for a higher price and
the only one hurt by your action would be you or those you represent. The
reality is that the worldwide supply of gasoline is now reduced from what it
was last week and therefore gasoline is worth more. The price will rise
until demand is reduced to equal supply. It is an inescapable fact.

Mike
MU-2

Actually if you owned the gasoline or worked for the people who owned it,
you would sell it to those who were willing to pay the most for it. You
would do this because you would know that there is somebody somewhere on
the planet that would be willing to sell to the US buyers for a higher
price and the only one hurt by your action would be you or those you
represent. The reality is that the worldwide supply of gasoline is now
reduced from what it was last week and therefore gasoline is worth more.
The price will rise until demand is reduced to equal supply. It is an
inescapable fact.

No one argues that it is supply and demand at work. It always is.

My point is that our "supply" side has been artificially restricted by
onerous environmental laws. These laws are so complex and expensive to
interpret that no one has built a new refinery in the U.S. since their
inception.

Thus, we find ourselves in the pickle we're in. One hurricane, and we're
*all* dead, economically.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On 2005-09-01, Jay Honeck wrote:
Thus, we find ourselves in the pickle we're in. One hurricane, and we're
*all* dead, economically.

Now that's just hyperbole, sorry. You're not all dead economically - far
from it.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

Thus, we find ourselves in the pickle we're in. One hurricane, and we're
*all* dead, economically.

Now that's just hyperbole, sorry. You're not all dead economically - far
from it.

True enough.

But this event will have a devastating impact on our economy, thanks largely
to incredibly poor governance.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:fZIRe.321609$xm3.157996@attbi_s21...
Actually if you owned the gasoline or worked for the people who owned it,
you would sell it to those who were willing to pay the most for it. You
would do this because you would know that there is somebody somewhere on
the planet that would be willing to sell to the US buyers for a higher
price and the only one hurt by your action would be you or those you
represent. The reality is that the worldwide supply of gasoline is now
reduced from what it was last week and therefore gasoline is worth more.
The price will rise until demand is reduced to equal supply. It is an
inescapable fact.

No one argues that it is supply and demand at work. It always is.

My point is that our "supply" side has been artificially restricted by
onerous environmental laws. These laws are so complex and expensive to
interpret that no one has built a new refinery in the U.S. since their
inception.

Thus, we find ourselves in the pickle we're in. One hurricane, and we're
*all* dead, economically.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


Your assumption is not correct. It is not enviornmental regulation that is
preventing new refineries from being built. The biggest reason that no
"new" refineries have been built is that it is cheaper to increase capacity
at an existing refinery than to build a new one.

Obviously it costs refiner's to clean their emissions but it cost society
more if they don't. The increase in real estate and steel prices are larger
impediments to adding refining capacity than enviornmenal regulation.

Mike
MU-2

Your assumption is not correct. It is not enviornmental regulation that
is
preventing new refineries from being built. The biggest reason that no
"new" refineries have been built is that it is cheaper to increase
capacity at an existing refinery than to build a new one.

Your point is irrelevant. Their costs are lower largely because of the
onerous environmental regulations that essentially prevent the construction
of new refineries until the cost of gasoline has risen so incredibly high
that consumption will fall to a level where the refinery is no longer
needed.

This phenomenon is called "social engineering", and is diametrically opposed
to the laws of "supply and demand." Educated observers have always known
that this was the ultimate goal of the most radical environmentalists (and,
hell -- the ADMIT it) -- to make construction of refineries (or nuclear
power plants, for that matter) economically impossible.

They have succeeded.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"